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I just recently acquired another example of this token:   The Charlton Catalogue number is PE 7C, and lists 4 varieties. I decided to review the accuracy of the attributions as to variety I had previously made. This will be done over the next couple of posts. Any comments are welcome. Jan |
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One additional fact: Token 1 has coinage orientation, while the others are medal.
Based on the above, I would classify them as 7C2, 7C3, 7C4, and 7C3, respectively.
Any comments/corrections?
Jan
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It looks like you have the correct numbers for those. There are 5 varieties listed in my Charlton. C5 is like C3 but has coinage alignment. There may be more as not all varieties are included in Charlton. You can find 3 different E types, with the same or different E's on the flip side. There are differences in the width of TRADE (probably other lettering also- may follow the size of AND but never checked). There may be a dot to the left of the 5, differences in where the 7 points, S or L, or a doubled L in ISLAND. There are many more variations on these guys and large die cracks on some. I've had some for about 18 years and still have trouble with the blankity-blank size of the quatrefoil (still a 4-leaf clover to me - people won't go "HUH ?"  ). Once they are worn down they all start to look alike. I'll have to check some more but I think the centre of the small one lines up directly over a rim bead, while the large ones are slightly to the right (but don't hold me to it ). There have been some token guides issued in the last ten years for Tiffin, Bust and Harp, Thistle and other colonial tokens so there may be one out now, or soon, for this PEI series. Someone here will know. Edited by TerryT
11/24/2018 01:45 am
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Hi Terry,
Thanks for the reply. I see I need to get a new Charlton catalogue. I agree about the blankity-blank quatrefoil.
I did note more differences than I mentioned. For example, the E's in token 3 have strong serifs going up and down, while the other three only are strong down.
I tried looking for the dot you mentioned, but only saw a very weak one on token 1.
However, looking closely, I discovered a very long die crack on 2 and 4 going right across the token from the E of PRINCE to the R of Edward, with a side crack to the 5. Those two are identical.
I'll have to post some more pictures.
Jan
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Couldn't help notice the difference in the word FREE on them..
On the first one pictured the letters are more closely spaced than on the other three.
I don't know if this is a marker of some sort but it seems it could be.
Cheers, Bill
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Very informative post, thank you!
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Bill,
Thank you for the observation about the spacing of the word FREE. Certainly, in the first example the R and E are much closer together than in the others.
As another die marker, note that the top of the 7 in the example in my first post (which is Token 2), aligns with the S in ISLAND, while in Dorado's example it aligns with the L.
Corteau, in a 1922 article, identifies 22 types of this token. I have not worked through it in detail yet, but will once I get scans of more examples. His descriptions are verbal, but it is better to see pictures.
Dorado,
Thank you for your example. I believe that it is a 7C1. (Large AND, Large quatrefoil, medal (upright) alignment.)
Jan
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Thank you for your example. I believe that it is a 7C1. (Large AND, Large quatrefoil, medal (upright) alignment.)
Jan You are welcome!
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Interestingly, Charlton's PE-7C1 encompasses Doctor Courteau's varieties 19, 10, 21, 22, 23, 24, 29, 20, 31, 32, and 33.
A.D. Hoch authored an collection of Dr. Courteau's lesser (smaller) works "Canadian Tokens and Medals." It is an excellent work.
Perhaps later I can attribute the Courteau variety.
doug
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Branko Marelic and Greg Ingram released their catalogue on this series at last year's RCNA. I highly recommend the catalogue as it provide great photographs of each Courteau variety. |
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I will need to get a copy of their work.
I have their Bust and Harp, Tiffin, Ship Colonies and Commerce, and Wellington.
I was not aware of their other works.
doug.
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