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Good afternoon, I am hoping that someone can assist me in identifying this coin, I think it is from the Nuestra Senora De Guadalupe? Or somewhere in those days. I found 2 pictures on the net like this that were also found but still have no information. I have been looking for the last month. I do not want to take it to a pawn shop or anywhere else until I can at least do some identifying myself on if this is real of a fake. I posted a better picture from the web because this one is easier to see. Any information would be much appreciated!   |
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 United States
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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I'll wait for one of the experts in this field, but I do not have a good feeling that this one is genuine.
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New Member
 United States
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well mine doesn't look good like that one. It was just easier to show that picture for identifying reasons. This is what mine looks like.  Edited by susie143
12/10/2018 3:41 pm
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Hello susie143, welcome to the forum!
Please post a higher resolution image of both the front and back of your coin. Also, a weight to the nearest tenth gram would be very helpful.
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New Member
United States
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Thats why I posted the pictures on top, because that's the exact picture of the coin with better resolution. My actual coin is the 3rd picture. If I remember it was over 6 grams.
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Bedrock of the Community
Australia
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I saw some nice copies something similar to this, a couple years ago. They made from 9 carat gold, and sold as such.
Genuine examples are composed of 22 ct gold.
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
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Hi, susie143. First, I am not an expert on this type of coin, but we have experts here on the forum who should be able to give you an answer. It's important for you to post better pictures of your actual coin to get the help you're seeking. The pictures of the gold coin you posted at the beginning don't look right because this is the design of a silver coin of the type found in the Atocha shipwreck, not a gold coin. Like this one: https://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotv...079019e8f083Gold coins have a different type of cross on the back, and would not have the lion and castle design in the angles of the cross: https://www.coinarchives.com/w/resu...&results=100Maybe that's a start at least. |
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United States
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the link that you gave me for the silver coin is not the same one. I can post a different picture but they are pretty grainy.  Edited by susie143
12/11/2018 2:19 pm
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Canada
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Edited by Dorado
12/11/2018 3:56 pm
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Is your coin silver, or gold? The title of the post says "Old Gold Coin." If your coin is gold, it is not real, because this type was not made in gold. Sorry if my comments have been confusing on that point. If it is silver, something like half dollar size, here you go: https://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotv...e49a3e5208f8The weight should be around 13.5 grams. Edited by tdziemia
12/12/2018 08:11 am
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United States
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Well, the first coin is a counterfeit / modern reproduction of a Seville, Spain, gold cob 4 escudos. It is probably made of a base metal that's been plated. I see this exact type about every few months from metal detectorists. They are typically seeded in parks for metal detecting competitions and then forgotten.
Based on your photos, yours looks like a similar copy. Weight is off for a 4 escudos. A legitimate example would weigh about 13.5 grams. Likewise, the details are wrong and mushy. The cross design is not that used by the Seville mint.
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New Member
United States
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The weird thing is I know the replica's are very noticeable. They are perfect and shiny. This one is about the size of a quarter, but a little bigger, very rough and very old and very uneven. It is gold not silver.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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The most obvious tell is that your coin and coin from the web have exactly the same shape and centering. They are identical in every respect. That doesn't happen with genuine hand-hammered coins.
I'm not an expert in Spanish cobs but the overall design has a muddy, cartoonish quality. My impression of the genuine coins I've seen is that they may often be carelessly struck but the dies are prepared with a modicum of care and skill.
Both coins appear to be base metal with a minimal gold wash.
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12/12/2018 5:38 pm
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United States
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It is gold not silver. Then it is not a real coin. For the reasons expressed in several posts here. Sorry for the bad news. Edited by tdziemia
12/13/2018 06:45 am
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Belgium
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unfortunately modern numismatic frauds (fakes made to deceive potential buyers of coins) are flooding the market; it is a shame
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