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I can't think of any possible explanation for the similarity other than at least one of them being a cast fake. PRSFerreira What's the provenance of the coin? If you've had it longer than Sept 2014, the date of the CNG listing, then something is clearly wrong. But if you purchased it since then, it is possible it is the same coin just with environmental damage. At least that's what I'm hoping. If it's a cast fake it's one of those scary fakes that makes me question my choice of hobby. |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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if you purchased it since then, it is possible it is the same coin just with environmental damage. Or damage from someone's botched chemical work on the surface. |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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But if you purchased it since then, it is possible it is the same coin just with environmental damage. The mold has been retouched along the cheek line between the nose and mouth. They are too similar for both to be genuine and too different to be the same coin. |
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United States
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If it's a cast fake it's one of those scary fakes that makes me question my choice of hobby Thank you for stating what I have been thinking but was afraid to post.  Edited by maravedis
12/14/2018 07:06 am
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Valued Member
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Thank you all for the scrutiny and evaluation. I conclude that the coin is fake. As some have said, the coin is very similar to the CNG coin to be authentic, and very different to be the same coin. I wrote to the numismatic house that sold me, and they promptly offered to give me back, after receiving the coin. I will give you new information as soon as I receive the refund ..
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Valued Member
Brazil
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I agree that such copies discourage us from collecting. However, living with such valiant and generous hobby colleagues, on the contrary, motivates me to continue. Thank you very much for all the help offered by Forum members. Thank you!
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Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
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I agree, it is fake; the flan cracks to the edge have been partially filled in the casting process. A very deceptive fake. Good on the auction house for accepting it back.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Convinced. Good analyses here. If fake then yes, definitely of the scary variety. Small details and flow lines have survived the casting process. As we sometimes read and write, soapy/mushy features may indicate casting, but apparently there is no corollary. This specimen may demonstrate that the lack of soapy/mushy features is no guarantee of authenticity.
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New Member
United States
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It's scary for a few reasons...
- the stretch around the letters is impressive
- the fact that it came from a reputable (I assume?) auction house that employs experts to catch coins such as this - but they were fooled
- the fact that it disproves the advice to new collectors of: buy from only trusted sellers as presumably a reputable auction house would be a trusted source
Fakes like this are disheartening for certain.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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 Bob L How in the world did you recognize this coin from a 4 year old CNG listing? And can we get this submitted to Joe's site? |
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Fakes like this are disheartening... Yep. Quote:
How in the world did you recognize this coin from a 4 year old CNG listing? I've made it a point to memorize every CNG listing over the past two decades.  But, seriously: the couple of times I've added coins to the Fake Reports there was a screw up that resulted in my personal email address, instead of my username (Robert L3), being posted in the listing - for all to see. Joe notified me the problem has been corrected, and his own name ended up under my entries (which is fine by me), but it's left me gun shy where uploading fakes to the Reports goes. So I'll leave this one to someone else. Edited by Kamnaskires
12/14/2018 10:08 am
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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That is such a good fake that I just can't believe that it really is. Although still a novice to the hobby, I've gotten pretty good at spotting obvious fakes and obvious genuine coins. I guess I need to redefine the obvious.
This would be classified as a "scary" fake
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12/14/2018 1:05 pm
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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If that one is fake it is scary good.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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A quick search of Coinarchives uncovers the seller, and props to them for standing behind their sales. Given the quality of this fake I'm not going to hold it against them, and am eyeing some of their items in a future sale.
But I would really like to know who the base coin was sold to in Sept 2014, and where and when this fake started showing up.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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This reminded me of a thread I read on another forum on new dangerous fakes were arising. Again, very convincing flow lines and overall appearance was extraordinary. Wonder if this comes from the same perpetrators. https://www.forumancientcoins.com/b...pic=114380.0 |
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