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Ancient Roman Coin I Should Be Able To ID But Cannot.

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I picked up this ancient at a local coin shop and cannot for the life of me identify it. The local dealer does not handle ancients very often and all the info I could get from him was "It's one of those smaller ones from the later ancient Roman Empire". I am not the best at identifying them and have spent a week attempting to nail it down but cannot. Any help is appreciated.

I will attempt to get some better images as soon as I can get the good camera out, if they are needed. Thank you in advance for looking at this post and for your help.
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Looks like a barbarous radiate. They frequently had an illegible legend, because the barbarians who made them couldn't spell Latin.

I think this one is supposed to say DIVO CLAVDIO (or, at least, is based on a coin that was supposed to say that), but I don't know enough about those to be sure one way or the other.
Don't recognize the reverse type, but, again, someone who knows more about those probably would.
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This is a barbarous radiate from the late 3rd century. The legends are garbled and the design is a bit unprofessional as these were issued by illiterate barbarians in Gaul and Britannia. The obverse shows either Tetricus or Victorinus, usurpers who ruled over the Gallic Empire that Postumus tore away from Rome. Judging by the general letter shapes, I'd lean towards this coin being a copy of a Victorinus issue - I can make out something like VRTVINIVOMV, which could be compared against IMP TETRICVS PF AVG or IMP VICTORINVS PF AVG. If you can see it better in hand, you could probably make a better judgement.

The obverse is probably copying an obverse showing Pax, the goddess of peace, and should have read PAX AVG.
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Thank you for the great info! I so appreciate it. This makes it even better as I have never had a barbarous radiate. Once again, I really appreciate the information and help. I now have some fun research to get started on.
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Judging by the general letter shapes, I'd lean towards this coin being a copy of a Victorinus issue - I can make out something like VRTVINIVOMV, which could be compared against IMP TETRICVS PF AVG or IMP VICTORINVS PF AVG.
about it being based on Victorinus. (I'm reading the last two letters as an attempt at AV, personally.)

To be honest, if I remembered that Victorinus was an option, I would never have suggested Claudius in the first place.
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I have another question concerning this coin. Is there a chance that this could be a barbarous radiate imitation of Probus? Looking at the legend under 60x magnification, I am 95% (or higher) positive it reads PROVI?UIVOITV.
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Barbarous radiates imitating Probus are very rare. The phenomenon was largely ended on the continent by 275, following the reform of Aurelian. Some illicit minting activity, along with general lawlessness, may have continued in Britain as late as 283. Carinus took the title 'Britannicus Maximus' in 284 but the details of his campaign are lost. The portrait here with that scraggly beard has the look of Victorinus or Tetricus. Any resemblance to the name Probus in the legend is almost certainly a coincidence.
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Thank you for this information. I saw many different spellings of "Probus" on the imitative coins that I have found online so far. I was thinking this might be another. You are very correct on the beard looking much more like that of Victorinus or Tetricus. I am going to break out the macro lens and get some decent images of the legend and post it. I am just not good enough to decipher what I am seeing. Thank you once again for the assistance and furthering my education. It truly is appreciated.
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