2013 P Lincoln Shield Cent / LSC No Doubter Doubled Die Obverse / DDO But No Match On Any Site

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Jim0815 Pillar of the Community United States 5240 Posts	Posted 01/10/2019 12:08 pm I found this 2013 P LSC and while it is a no doubt DDO, I cannot match it on any site as there are no discernable die markers. The only one that it comes close to is the 2013 P WDDO-009 but it doesn't have the die gouge on the shield above the T in CENT. The doubling on BERTY seems thicker on this cent than the WDDO-009. The thickness on the 20 on the date appears a little different as well. I am not saying this is a new find but maybe a different stage of one that is already known? And, it is the reddest shield cent I have ever seen! Thoughts? Edited by Jim0815 01/10/2019 12:09 pm Report this Post to the Staff

coop Bedrock of the Community United States 62064 Posts	Posted 01/10/2019 12:35 pm Not a doubled die, what is doubled? Looks like field disturbance on certain areas of your coin. Probably happened on the last die polishing to remove a clash. Note the affected areas are where a clash could happen? First two digits, last two totally normal. Last to devices on LIBERTY is show field disturbance, the other devices are normal. The shield is showing the same thing. Nothing doubled, fields disturbed. Nothing is doubled, just fields altered a bit. Report this Post to the Staff
Jim0815 Pillar of the Community United States 5240 Posts	Posted 01/10/2019 12:39 pm There is notching in the upper left hand corners of the devises. If what your saying is correct then the 2013 P WDDO-009 should be removed from Wexler's site. For once, I strongly disagree with you. Edited by Jim0815 01/10/2019 12:41 pm Report this Post to the Staff
John1 Moderator United States 56855 Posts	Posted 01/10/2019 12:41 pm I can see where you would think it is a DDO,fooled me till I read what coop said. I would 2x2 it for a reference piece. John1 Report this Post to the Staff
coop Bedrock of the Community United States 62064 Posts	Posted 01/10/2019 12:57 pm Here is a side by side of his die WDDO-009 Not 014, Have your tried a match with 006? Closer, but You might check markers? Edited by coop 01/10/2019 1:20 pm Report this Post to the Staff
Jim0815 Pillar of the Community United States 5240 Posts	Posted 01/10/2019 1:11 pm So if I'm understanding you correctly, a field disturbance can cause notching in the devises correct? Like the notching in the upper left hand corners in BERTY? Report this Post to the Staff
coop Bedrock of the Community United States 62064 Posts	Posted 01/10/2019 1:22 pm No, that was not what I was referring to. I didn't see the areas your talking about yet. The images were pretty small and I missed that. The areas I was talking about is above the devices. Larger images and arrows help a lot more. But check the markers for 006 to see if it is close. If not, you might check with John, with larger images. LOL Did you check the markers for WDDO-001? (seems a bit stronger than your coin?) Edited by coop 01/10/2019 1:36 pm Report this Post to the Staff
tropicalbats Pillar of the Community United States 6116 Posts	Posted 01/10/2019 1:46 pm Thinking WDDO-006 or a new one. The date looks wrong for WDDO-009. Wish there was a date image for all of them as it can be really helpful, but alas there is none for -006. Report this Post to the Staff
Jim0815 Pillar of the Community United States 5240 Posts	Posted 01/10/2019 2:19 pm It's not the 006 tropicalbats, I think this may be a new one. I'll send it to Wexler along with the 1963 with the doubled eyelid. Report this Post to the Staff
Jim0815 Pillar of the Community United States 5240 Posts	Posted 01/10/2019 3:17 pm @coop, it's not the WDDO-001, no markers to match. The cross reference was coppercoins IDO-001 and it doesn't match that either. I'll just send it to Wexler and maybe he can figure it out. Report this Post to the Staff
John1 Moderator United States 56855 Posts	Posted 01/10/2019 3:31 pm So is it or is it not a DDO? John1 Report this Post to the Staff
Jim0815 Pillar of the Community United States 5240 Posts	Posted 01/10/2019 4:06 pm Obviously coop, tropicalbats and myself believe that it is. Coop missed looking at the notches in the devises like you did. So, I'll send it in to see for sure what it is John1. Report this Post to the Staff
Tanman2001 Pillar of the Community United States 4407 Posts	Posted 01/10/2019 4:53 pm Clearly, it's a DDO. It has some slight notches and extra thickness. Not as strong as WDDO-009, doubling is slightly different on WDDO-006. I think it's a slightly earlier die state of WDDO-001, the die crack isn't fully developed but the small portion of it above the LU matches. Report this Post to the Staff
Chase007 Pillar of the Community United States 7520 Posts	Posted 01/10/2019 4:53 pm Ok then, let's see a larger close up of the notches you are referring to, because I can't see them neither. Report this Post to the Staff
Jim0815 Pillar of the Community United States 5240 Posts	Posted 01/10/2019 5:08 pm Here you go @Chase007, its the best I could do. Report this Post to the Staff
11997755 Pillar of the Community United States 2253 Posts	Posted 01/10/2019 5:10 pm For what it's worth, it looks like a DDO to me. Report this Post to the Staff
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