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Three 1959-D LWC, Die Crack All 3 At Memorial, And One Has Odd Lamination.

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Get your bucket of popcorn, because I think this is going to take awhile to sort out.
I'm only posting the Obverse and Reverse of one of the coins, But I will post all three Die Crack photos for comparison.
The lamination has a very strange anomaly, it has a foil thin piece of copper hanging onto the rim, it appears part of the lamination that didn't fall off. I have several photos of the small piece of copper but none gives a good representation of what it looks like. I don't want to touch it too much as it will most likely break loose. These cents must never had made it into circulation, as I don't see how that thin piece of copper would have survived, and it's obviously one of the 3 with the memorial die crack. So none of the 3 must have made it to circulation, because the odds of all 3 of them showing up in the same roll from coins found in circulation would be astronomical. These came from a partial roll of what must have been UNC cents once again, my Mom gave me.

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Three-1959-D-LWC,-Die-Crack-All-3-At-Memorial,-And-One-Has-Odd-Lamination.
Three-1959-D-LWC,-Die-Crack-All-3-At-Memorial,-And-One-Has-Odd-Lamination.
Three-1959-D-LWC,-Die-Crack-All-3-At-Memorial,-And-One-Has-Odd-Lamination.
Three-1959-D-LWC,-Die-Crack-All-3-At-Memorial,-And-One-Has-Odd-Lamination.
Three-1959-D-LWC,-Die-Crack-All-3-At-Memorial,-And-One-Has-Odd-Lamination.
Three-1959-D-LWC,-Die-Crack-All-3-At-Memorial,-And-One-Has-Odd-Lamination.
Three-1959-D-LWC,-Die-Crack-All-3-At-Memorial,-And-One-Has-Odd-Lamination.
Three-1959-D-LWC,-Die-Crack-All-3-At-Memorial,-And-One-Has-Odd-Lamination.
Three-1959-D-LWC,-Die-Crack-All-3-At-Memorial,-And-One-Has-Odd-Lamination.
Three-1959-D-LWC,-Die-Crack-All-3-At-Memorial,-And-One-Has-Odd-Lamination.
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Any thoughts on the lamination ?
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 Posted 01/17/2019  3:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add GrapeCollects to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks like a RIDB with a Rim Fin.
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I don't see RIDB in the Glossary.

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The thing on the reverse looks like a Die Scratch from polishing the reverse die down. That piece of flaky metal on the obverse could have been copper foil that was Struck Through.
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It is a piece of copper debris that was flattened out on that area. Note how thin it is. A lamination usually leaves different thickness of peel. (but not always)
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If you look at the last photo, it appears that a lamination appears across GOD. The reason I feel it may have been a lamination, is it still attached to the coin.
Any comments on the three die crack cents ? Those 3 photos are 3 separate coins.

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RIDB is a retained interior die break
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Another sign it is debris, is to check the edge of the coin. If it wraps around the coin to the edge. it is debris. If it ends at the rim, then it is probably a lamination. But still thinking it is a struck through debris as it is consistant with being thin.
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The small piece does stop at the rim.
I hesitate to move it for a better photo, I'm afraid it might break off. So I put it in a 2X2, and just stored it away.
I'm still hyped about finding 3 identical Die Cracks in the same roll.

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Just revisiting these LMC to ask a question I'm not yet clear on.
Can I get a consensus on what the marks are at the Red arrows.
To me it appears as a De-lamination. One comment says struck through. Most struck through that I'm familiar with are not retained, but rather seem to leave a void. Could I get a clarification for that term.
Thanks;
Dan
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All three coins are from the same die pair. Thus why the markers match on all three. I feel on the last image that this is a struck through debris issue rather than a lamination issue. Why? Because the surface under the debris is flat. On a lamination error, the thickness can vary sometimes greatly. On this coin it appears as just a thin layer of chips of debris struck onto the coin.
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