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Let the opinions come in: grade & authenticity:   I cannot explain this but the crown of the king's head lacked the detail in the normal photo that it truly has. But when I turned it upside down it unexpectedly appeared to improve that area to be closer to as it is in real life. By the way that little dark-looking mark on the neck is not an incuse scratch but instead a crayon-like mark. Edited by mdpmedia
01/28/2019 11:12 pm
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The reason it is so perplexing is that this is the same exact photo just turned upside down.  I forgot to mention that this coin is 90 % gold. Edited by mdpmedia
01/28/2019 11:11 pm
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This sort of situation helps to explain why in 'You vs TPG,' the 'you' is always at a disadvantage. A TPGrader ha the coin in hand, and examines it under ideal lighting conditions, with a 10x loupe. We don't. All minor flaws can well take on a different appearance from different lighting angles, as the case in point here. Edited by sel_69l
01/29/2019 3:57 pm
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Quote:The reason it is so perplexing is that this is the same exact photo just turned upside down. As sel suggested, it means your lighting needs to be changed to represent what you see in hand. Different coins need different setups, especially when considering left-facing vs. right-facing portraits (not specifically relevant here). In Memory of Crazyb0 12-26-1951 to 7-27-2020
In Memory of Tootallious 3-31-1964 to 4-15-2020
In Memory of T-BOP 10-12-1949 to 1-19-2024
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It is the exact same photo, just one is shown upside down.
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Please disregard the previous narrative and corresponding upright and upside down photos. I made a dumb mistake since I inserted another poorly lit photo having less hair details that I had since deleted but forgot that I had discarded it. In the initial four photos grouped together the two reverse shots were the same but the obverse ones were different from one another. In the end, I am now able to present the two correct photos below that I would like to use for gathering grading opinions:  Edited by mdpmedia
01/29/2019 11:41 am
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Grade-wise, what you have looks great, at least mid 60s IMO (caveat: it's always hard to tell in pictures, and I have a poor track record at guessing grades on here). The fields are mostly clean and the lines look sharp. That said, I'm particularly paying attention to the level of detail in the hair and especially the beard. It looks more detailed than the MS66+ shown at https://www.PCGS.com/valueview/swed...579566&h=pop -- that's an 1876 example, but should be comparable for these purposes. That concerns me a bit (in the "too good to be true" sense), and so does the color, but that could be your lighting. |
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Quote:It looks more detailed than the MS66+ shown at https://www.PCGS.com/valueview/swed...579566&h=pop -- that's an 1876 example I think it has to do with a different die being used in '76 compared to '74. Under the blue oval outlines take a look at the lack of horizontal lines in this 'scroll' section on the reverse of the '76 coin compared to the '74's reverse:  In real life my '74's reverse has virtually the same sharpness and coloring as the '76's corresponding traits. I do feel that the brighter areas under the yellow ovals on the '74 side are a result of excessive lighting and not wear. B/t/w, not including NGC's sometimes inaccurate World Coin Guide's retail prices, where would be an alternate place to see a retail price list for MS examples of this coin? If the MS price levels change significantly enough when going upwards towards a MS-65, I will devote more time on refining my reverse shot by attempting to reduce or eliminate the current white glare shown on the '74... |
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That's interesting, regarding the different dies. I couldn't find many references in my quick search; I hope others will chime in -- world gold is on my medium-list, so I'm curious what the consensus will be. Given how scarce these are (and how unreliable NGC/PCGS price guides can be), we often turn to previous auction results for what the real market says. There are only two recent sales for this issue on ebay -- ANACS/64 for $395 and NGC/63 for $630. https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_fr...=nc&LH_All=1The NGC/63 listing has a good picture of the obverse, showing similar detail in the hair/beard as yours (but not clear enough to make a real comparison). The reverse picture isn't clear at all. https://www.ebay.com/itm/SWEDEN-187...254085802568 |
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I found a group of these coins selling on HA as a lot. I cut a section from my '74 coin and from one of the '74 coins of this group focusing in on an area above the ear along with the adjacent hair strands above. The dark color of the op coin on the left is actually the same color as the HA coin on the right in real life. IMO opinion this particular region holds the key to deciphering whether or not this coin is a fake or not. You be the judge, jury and executioner if applicable:  The one aspect of this study that remains unanswered is if varieties for hair styles exist for this coin which could play a role in the final determination? Where does one look to find out this type of info.? I find NGC's World Coin site weak on the varietal aspects of most foreign coins; it's decent on the non-variety strikes data though. Here's the HA lot of ten - 1874 20 Kroner coins: https://coins.ha.com/itm/sweden/wor...bnail-071515Incidentally, these HA coins do possess the reverse horizontal lines lacking on that '76 - 20 Kroner coin previously alluded to. Edited by mdpmedia
01/30/2019 05:06 am
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MS-63 and looks genuine to me.
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The hair strands do indeed look much different than the one on HA.
Errers and Varietys.
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01/31/2019 2:57 pm
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