8 Reales With George III Countermark... Thoughts?

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xxmarkabyx Valued Member United States 80 Posts	Posted 01/31/2019 4:47 pm Ok, so I shared this on the British section, but it may be better suited over here.. does anybody have any thoughts on this coin? Anything jumping out about the actual 8 reale coin regarding authenticity? https://www.coincommunity.com/go/f1.asp?target=https://www.ebay.com/itm/1804-Dollar-GEORGE-III-OVAL-COUNTER-MARK-MEXICO-8-REALE-VF-Ref370/283353182852?_trkparms=aid=111001&algo=REC.SEED&ao=1&asc=20160908105057&meid=711bb7d50e944a289e127eeb362e5503&pid=100675&rk=1&rkt=15&sd=283353182852&itm=283353182852&_trksid=p2481888.c100675.m4236&_trkparms=pageci:cff1db37-2586-11e9-b0f6-74dbd180f4de%7Cparentrq:a530a69f1680ac192565fe17ffe38b0e%7Ciid:1 Report this Post to the Staff

jfransch Pillar of the Community United States 1801 Posts	Posted 01/31/2019 7:46 pm Your link does not appear to work correctly. Report this Post to the Staff
Squire Wilson Pillar of the Community Australia 653 Posts	Posted 01/31/2019 10:39 pm I tried highlighting the full Internet address in xxmarkabyx's post and by copying this and pasting it into the Internet Browser I was able to view the web page. Squire Edited by Squire Wilson 01/31/2019 10:41 pm Report this Post to the Staff
alganbagerap Pillar of the Community United Kingdom 2490 Posts	Posted 02/01/2019 05:43 am Here's the link I beleve: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/-/283353...83353182852/ Report this Post to the Staff
xxmarkabyx Valued Member United States 80 Posts	Posted 02/01/2019 07:25 am Thanks so much, and pardon my poor internet skills!! Report this Post to the Staff
cableguy815 Valued Member United States 414 Posts	Posted 02/01/2019 1:06 pm Folks with far more knowledge should chime in here but from my perspective this is a forgery. To me that date looks all wrong. The privy mark seems ok but hard to tell from the pics. I also especially don't like those two dentils on the reverse at 3 o'clock, by the 'N' of 'Hispan'. There are other things I dislike but those stuck out me. Report this Post to the Staff
jgenn Pillar of the Community United States 1156 Posts	Posted 02/01/2019 7:40 pm The key thing is the countermark. Does it look authentic? Do your homework and look at as many certified examples as you can. If the countermark looks genuine (they were heavily counterfeited at the time and there are many examples of less than accurate countermarks) then at worse you have a genuine countermark on a contemporary counterfeit host (and there is ample proof that this did happen). Unfortunately, the seller scanned the coin in such a way that the surface of the coin is in focus but the countermark is not in focus. Try to request a picture where the countermark is in focus. Edited by jgenn 02/01/2019 7:45 pm Report this Post to the Staff
alganbagerap Pillar of the Community United Kingdom 2490 Posts	Posted 02/02/2019 03:54 am A contemporary description of these coins "the head of a fool on the neck of an ass" Report this Post to the Staff
colonialjohn Pillar of the Community United States 1757 Posts	Posted 02/02/2019 4:19 pm On the obverse we see raised metal dots and the weight is not supplied. These are best purchased as PCGS/NGCcertified. True there can still be some doubt. This appears as MODERN and from a modern Chinese casting method as described in my new book FORGOTTEN COINS in the chapter of Chinese counterfeits. John Lorenzo United States Report this Post to the Staff
xxmarkabyx Valued Member United States 80 Posts	Posted 02/02/2019 7:37 pm Thank you everyone! Yeah, I had a feeling something looked off with the actual coin, but I'm no expert in the area. I'm going to wait around for a graded example or buy one from someone reputable Report this Post to the Staff
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