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Check Your 1875 IHCs For The "Secret Mark"!

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From this article.

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The hunt to identify a "secret mark" on the reverse of an 1875 Indian Head cent which has persisted for some thirty-six years may have finally been successful...The coin had a tiny raised dot on one of the letters in the denomination...About 30,000 were coined from this die. Such a coin may be found today at the ratio of 1 to every 450 cents.Now that the collector knows what to look for, we may quickly learn how many survived.

I hope someone here finds one!
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 Posted 08/07/2008  10:08 pm  Show Profile   Check GO's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add GO to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I don't get it. Looks like nothing more then a die chip that someone is trying to turn into a urban legend

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 Posted 08/07/2008  10:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add KurtS to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well, your guess is as good as mine!
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 Posted 08/08/2008  03:45 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Parklane64 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It's a conspiracy, right?
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Interesting article. But I'm skeptical of the ratio of 1 dotted N 1875 remaining for every 450 1875s produced. Yes, dividing 13.5 million by 30,000 gives you 450, but how many of those 30,000 were later destroyed or captured or confiscated after the mint employee was caught? I suspect the ratio is far less than this.

It does give me something to look for. I have maybe a dozen 1875s. If I have one I'll let you all know.
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 Posted 08/13/2008  3:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add KurtS to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The Stack's coin is now with Rick Snow. Here's his detail photo of the controversial mark:

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The other photo is here.
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 Posted 08/19/2008  10:29 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mycrob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Is it possible for this mark to be put there post-mintage? Can this potential problem be completely ruled out?
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As a raised mark on the coin? It isn't likely. Possible, but not by accident.
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Can soldering hot metal onto a coin create that appearance?
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Possibly but you would have difficulty hiding the seam, discoloration from the heat, and the staining caused by the flux.
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 Posted 08/19/2008  12:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add KurtS to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
For all I know, that's "the mark", and Rick Snow is now regarding this as a true variety.
If anyone wants a photo of the markers on this coin, Rick sent me one I can pass along.
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The raised area is copper(bronze) so the solder would have to be the same composition as the coin. Adding something that hot to the surface of a coin should discolor the surrounding metal
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GO, that may vbe true, but what about the "tiny dot", on the right vertical leg of the "N"? That would be just the "katz-Pajamas" for catching a thief!
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Hi Kurt.. I'd love a photo of the markers, if you don't mind sending Thanks for posting this!
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Hi,
Rick posted this later when I asked him about other markers. Here he's highlighted a reverse die crack that should appear on this variety.

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I'm with GO here. By this line of thinking, any variety could be considered the "Secret Coin". If they wanted to mark the coins, I would think that the mint would have come up with something that didn't resemble Die Deterioration. Perhaps something inconspicuous like on the Omega Counterfeits.
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