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5 Dollar 1903 S Lady Liberty

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 Posted 02/20/2019  11:32 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Alexthegreat to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hey guys,
I bought three Half Eagles from the same seller. I think this one is the best, but I am open for further opinions.
I posted the other two ones as well. How would you grade this one?
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XF Details Obverse Rim Damage
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 Posted 02/20/2019  12:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Alexthegreat to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Are you sure that the rim problem is huge enough to give a details grade for this very lusterous coin? Here are further pictures
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In that case no, XF45
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XF Details rim damage? How can you even throw out a grade like that?

Assuming this coin does detail... there is absolutely no way it gets XF details.

I am not a US coin guy and I don't really like gold coins, but to my eye, if this coin grades straight, it's at least an MS61. Luster is visible so that's a big plus. However, there is also a lot of "chatter" in the fields and I do not like that contact marks below the bust (above the date). Gold is a soft metal so the slightest contact with anything will leave marks. I've seen enough holdered US coins in the low MS range with this kind of chatter.
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If it was silver I would call it AU58 because the fields have that circulated "look". For gold though, I have no idea.
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AU-58
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I collect (german) gold coins for 5 years now. Each Half Eagle has still a huge amount of lustre, but bagmarks as well. So I think that they are all something between MS 58 and MS 63. My problem is that I dont know which one to choose. Agony of choice
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Mid to high AU, the kind of thing that commonly exchanged hands as uncirculated when I was younger.
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XF Details rim damage? How can you even throw out a grade like that?


Until OP added new pics all I could see was a "gouge" 2:30 K.
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I would hardly call that a gouge and from my perspective, that's not something that would detail a coin, but that's besides the point.

My issue is that you detailed this to XF when the coin is clearly high AU-low MS.

Here is an example of an UNC details coin with similar level of detail and contact marks on the devices and fields. It is UNC details... not XF. I can sort of see this as an AU details but even still, UNC details makes more sense to me.

https://coins.ha.com/itm/liberty-ha...ption-071515
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The reason for my AU-58 grade was that I see a small bit of wear.

I agree that it doesn't appear to be EF, however.
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Hey guys, I made pictures with all 3 coins. Which one would you take?
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XF details rim damage is absolutely ridiculous for a while I thought pictures had been switched until I saw other comments. AU58 on the first coin.
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I'd take the coin on the bottom it's a stunner to me
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agreed... bottom.
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