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1919-S Lincoln Penny Error Struck On Centavo.....? Help! Losing Sleep...

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Ok, I'm usually pretty good at telling when a coin is a fake error, but this one has me stumpped. I am aware of the centavo minting error in 1919 in Philadelphia, but this is a 1919-S I have found no information on this error anywhere. I am aware of chemical washes that people do to coins. To test this I applied a near microscopic scratch to the coins rim. Only to reveal an even cleaner looking metallic silver color. I have a couple pictures and I will take more if someone doesn't disprove this soon.
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What makes you think this is an error coin or minted on a foreign planchet, please share with us.
This coin looks normal but has environmental damage, possibly a metal detector find,been buried under ground,exposed to excessive moisture, copper reaction to moisture after long period of time has been oxidated to the color you see.Keep the search going.
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My reasoning behind this is that, the color is surprisingly uniform and the metallic hue was so abnormal to the usual color of a penny that I actually found this coin in a roll of steel cents, and if I hadn't been reading dates I would've never noticed that it was different.
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Here's a higher quality pic
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to CCF. My first question is,what is the weight of the cent and what is the weight of a centavo from 1919?
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In the first Photo the rim looks copper to me
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I'd say just discoloring due to unknown environmental factors.



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As John1 mentions, can you confirm the weight? I see a few options in my head, but like to start with the weight first. Thanks, Doug.
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Weight please.
Is there any way the coin could have leeched the color from the steel cents over time. Weren't some of the 43 steel cents replated with zinc to freshen them up. Maybe the copper got plated.

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Hi Orange and easy test you can do is to flip the coin and listen to the ring. Flip a few normal LWCs and listen to the ring from those. Does the coin in question sound significantly different?
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In the first Photo the rim looks copper to me

Exactly, copper is poking out not only on the Rim , but on almost all the devices. The first set of images represent the true color definitions, the coin and even the background( which in the second set it changed from vivid brown to grayish brown) as well, the second sets clearly show they have been enhanced and lost the originality as they picked up more of a steel/metal color.
I'll demonstrate what I mean, below is a normal 1919-s, before and after applying excess Hue/Saturation by photo editing:

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Could have been plated, or just very weird toning/oxidation.
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I believe copper coins can be recolored using mercury to take on that appearance, not something people do any more but a hundred years ago in a science class it would not have been unusual.

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