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Date And Mint Mark On All Coins But Not Dollars

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It's funny how the mint cannot put the date and mint mark on the obverse of the dollar coin but yet they can on the rest of the coins, even the smallest one, the dime!

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The date and mint mark is on the rim/edge of the coin.
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I believe that the dollar has the date and MM on the edge. They began doing that a bunch of years ago when the dollar began to get very crowded.
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I know it's on the edge and I hate it. They don't even look like coins! The date and mint mark used to be on the obverse and there is plenty of room for it but they choose not to put it there anymore.
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You said: Date And Mint Mark On All Coins But "Not" Dollars

Wrong, it's on the edge.
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They began doing that a bunch of years ago when the dollar began to get very crowded.


Well like TheForce said, there is plenty of room on that above dollar in the right field for a date and mint mark.

Guaranteed, there is a reason why they put the date and mint mark on the edge. I just never did the research to find out or cared one way or the other.
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It's not so much that the design of the dollar got crowded -- the year and mint mark were both on the obverse of the Sacagawea dollars from 2000-2008. They could have continued that through the Native American (rotating) reverse designs ever since then. But the year and mint mark moved to the edge because the legislation required it, through the Presidential $1 Coin Act of 2005 (Sec 105, part 6 is explicit to the mint mark, they moved the year at the same time). Why that is the case, I can't tell you.
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I think they wanted uniformity between the Sacagawea and Presidential series. Not the best reason, but it is what we got. Stinks for album collectors. I opted to do the Presidential in proof only in one-per-year Dansco because not knowing P from D on the business strikes was a deal breaker.
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Correcting myself, the legislation I linked to applied only to the Presidential dollars, which started while the Sacs still had the date on the obverse. The legislation for the Native American dollars (with the rotating design) also mandates the date and mint mark on the edge.
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Ah, true, it started on the NA dollars two years into the Presidential run.
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Stinks for album collectors.


I, too, greatly dislike the date and MM on the edge. I like the edge lettering/decoration in general but since the only people that seem to care about these coins are collectors, it makes no sense to make it difficult for collectors (can't see date/mm in a slab, album or 2x2 without difficulty and it's occasionally hard to make out the D or P on the edge.

If they're going to put anything on the edge, I say put stars or the motto or something that won't change from coin to coin.
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I keep coming back to this:
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I think they wanted uniformity between the Sacagawea and Presidential series.

Are the edges for these two series identical (mottos, year, mint mark, stars)? If so, does that mean they can share the collar (did I get that right)? That would make things somewhat easier for production.

Similarly, for the Sacs, if the year and mint mark are on the edge, they don't have to change anything on the obverse. Is there any cost savings there in the production of dies, even though the change on the obverse would be minimal? Legislation limits our choices here, but if there is cost savings, I'm wondering if that would be enough to drive the change.
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Are the edges for these two series identical (mottos, year, mint mark, stars)? If so, does that mean they can share the collar (did I get that right)? That would make things somewhat easier for production.
I believe this is correct. Someone will need to confirm it though.
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I believe this is correct. Someone will need to confirm it though.

Case in point... I'm not digging them out of my albums to find out.
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Exactly!

I should have thought about it before putting them in.
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It's not that they couldn't put the dates on the obverses, it was thought that by moving the date and some of the inscriptions to the edge it would allow more room for larger more artistic designs. The public squawk over not seeing IGWT on the coin eventually led to it being returned to the face of the coin. There was no major demand (except among collectors) about the date and mintmark so they are still on the edge.
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