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Palestine 1933 20 Mils

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Hi can u help me with grading? also, is it possible the coin is fake, I bought it quite cheap in a lot ...
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Looks OK to me, but I'll let other Forum Members give their opinions. I've picked up quite a few genuine Palestinian coins from cheap trays over the years; many dealers seem unaware of their high catalog values.

These coins are notoriously hard to grade because there is very little relief to wear down - no portrait with hairlines and nothing like the bell on the Franklin half or the torch on the Roosevelt dime that shows obvious wear. Personally I'd say about VF.
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High VF to EF, but you're right, there isn't much to grade.
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Good going, that's a key. Mntg. of just 1/4 M.
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gF - VF, there is no lustre and the lettering is fairly flat.Quite a bit of wear on the wreath and the rim.

Still a nice honest coin and I would it say its definitely genuine. May be a scarce coin now now, but back in 1930, such a coin was a base metal piece worth a few pence in buying value.

You are lucky to have it too, I only have the 1, 2, 5 and 10 mil coins.
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I remember around 30 years ago a whole batch of these turned up in a dealer's junk box in a range of various MS++ condition. I thought they may have been common in MS,
but that is apparently not so.

I haven't seen any more like those examples, since then.

I will concede that it is difficult to grade these, from on screen pictures. The way to get around this problem with high grade examples, is to examine the fields with high magnification, looking for disturbance to the mint luster.
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These are hard to grade so I'd go VF-EF.

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Authentic. Nice coin.
Solid XF.
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Nice coin. Its a VF. There's too much wear on the reverse as on the inner rim and dings and scrapes and flatness on the letters to be higher.

I suspect all the US commentators are using their grading scale and all the Europeans are using their grading, hence the differences
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I suspect all the US commentators are using their grading scale and all the Europeans are using their grading, hence the differences


True that.
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European XF?

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See how the US Scheldon grading scale is much less conservative than the European (at least UK and Scandinavia) - grading scale. In Denmark this coin will be fine/VF. I see a lot of American sellers offer their (often very expensive, too expensive) - coins on ebay graded by NGC and PCGS, and they offer these coins as UNC, and normally here in Denmark and Norway the coins need to be at least MS65 before they are as ours "0", sometimes even MS65 is not judged as truly UNC, "0", here in Scandinavia.

I must admit I have never learned how to get the file size down to put in pictures in this forum, but actually just yesterday I got a 10 mils 1943 graded VF here in DK, and I am sure it will be at least XF45 on the Scheldon scale, and AU50 is also possible.
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