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1776-1976 Quarters. Normal Wear Or Is One Of These Special?

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I tried to compare them to images on how to tell if they may have errors but I'm very new to this and literally just can't tell. They appear different from another which is what sparked my curiosity, but I can't tell if it's from wear or if one of them has errors. Someone please help and thank you!
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They have slightly different strike and wear patterns but I don't see any "erroor", e.g., doubling. What do the rims look like?
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From what I can tell they seem normal, one may be a bit less raised but I figure it was from being wore down. Is there something to look for?
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I believe this is caused by hubbing. The difference here is most noticeable on the "E" of "LIBERTY". On the first specimen the distance to the rim and bust is greater. Back in those days most dies were pressed two to three times to get all of the design but in this case the first coin was squeezed a single time.

For some reason experts and collectors usually consider these unimportant so they aren't widely connected. Sometimes this appears on a single side and apparently affected only some master hubs. My knowledge here is not very deep but I have seen these before and they show up on quite a few dates in the '70's and '80's.
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They look pretty normal to me.



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I also notice the bridge of the nose, ponytail, front of neck and WE are missing/weak on one of them. Die wear, weak strike, hubbing? I'm always amazed at how many of these are still circulating - probably have half a dozen in my change can. I'll have to look for this. I still have a bunch I saved when they first came out, but nowadays I just toss them in the can.
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Normal circulation wear.
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Thank you guys so much! I look forward to learning more about coins that's for sure.
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The difference between the two that I see is.That the coin on the right is from a new die.The coin on the left is from an older die that has been ground down,and polished,due to a clashing event.
Clashing is where the two dies come together without a "blank" in between them,causing marks on the dies.Which in turn causes those marks to be imprinted on the coins being minted.
So they grind down the die past the marks,then polish it smooth,in order to get rid of the marks.That way the marks no longer show up on the coins and prolong the life of the die.
Since the die has been "polished",there is less space for the metal to rise up into the die,making the coin look less defined,because there is less details left on the die itself.
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The difference between the two that I see is.That the coin on the right is from a new die.The coin on the left is from an older die that has been ground down,and polished,due to a clashing event.
Clashing is where the two dies come together without a "blank" in between them,causing marks on the dies.Which in turn causes those marks to be imprinted on the coins being minted.
So they grind down the die past the marks,then polish it smooth,in order to get rid of the marks.That way the marks no longer show up on the coins and prolong the life of the die.
Since the die has been "polished",there is less space for the metal to rise up into the die,making the coin look less defined,because there is less details left on the die itself.


Great theory! Wish I had thought of it.

I've seen several of these dates like this and in every case they are equally low relief. It seems as though if your theory is correct there would be some that are barely ground down to obliterate a light clash and some heavily ground for a deeper clash.
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Well,before someone else with more knowledge chimes in,I should correct Myself.Both of the coins look like,too Me,they may have been polished.
If you look closely above the mint mark,behind the head,there are,what looks like,polishing lines.The coin on the left has lines going Northeast and southwest.Where as the coin on the right has lines going more Northwest and Southeast.
According to RedBook,the Denver mint,minted 860,118,839 Quarters in 1975-1976.So I'm sure they went through many dies in different states of being polished.
Now I could very well be barking up a tree here if those lines are roller lines from the making of the planchet itself.
In theory,if you had enough coins to look at,you should be able to see the different states of the dies for a light ,or, a deep clash.
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