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Die Polish Marks On Incused Design Elements?

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 Posted 03/23/2019  10:53 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add ccobb to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
This article states that a wire brush was used to repollish proof dies and that a very fine impression was left on the incused design elements. Does anyone have examples of this?
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 Posted 03/23/2019  2:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The only encuse devices on cents are on the VDB and the EPU of the Shield cents.
Quarter have the ATB outer devices on the reverse incuse. But this article is about proof coins, not business strike coins. The wire brush would damage these because the are raised on the die.
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 Posted 03/23/2019  3:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ccobb to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@coop yes thank you! as I stated in my question, this article is about proof die's being polished with a wire brush leaving a very fine impression! I would just like to see one! Do you have a link for images? Do you have an app for that, I mean hey coop do you have a link for that? LOL. Thanks coop!
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That was a good read!
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I think the article is talking about incuse elements on the die, not on the finished coin. It can't be talking about the shield cent because the top paragraph starts in 1950 and the paragraph below the highlights mentions 1970.

The first paragraph in the image talks about Cameo, where a dipping process "produced a light frosting over the entire die. This frosting is also known as a Cameo. The die then was polished with a diamond dust compound. The incused design elements were not affected by this polishing and retained their frosting."

So the frosting was retained on the design elements (lettering, portrait), which is also the "incused design elements" they mention. So the "fine impressions caused by the brush" would then be on the lettering or portrait. That's where you'd have to look.
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Well I think these are often called striation marks on some coins with the raised devices. The slight movement of the dies edge can leave lines on the coins devices:
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Die striation lines are also caused by Feeder Finger Damage:
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This might be what your looking for:
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I had this listed as metal striation lines, but these devices are incuse on the ATB Quarters.

The striation on raised devices I can figure. But on the incuse devices, the devices would be affected by cleanings because they are raised on the die for incuse devices on the coin and recessed devices on the die for raised devices on the coins.
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There are some business strike Lincolns from Denver in the 1950s that contain weak brush marks on the raised elements of the coin design.

None of these are terribly exciting, but one example is 1954-D 1˘ WDDO-001. The BE of LIBERTY shows weak die scratches, likely from a wire brush, on the top of the B and NW corner of the E.

There are a few 1950s Lincolns where very weak parallel scratches are visible on the angled bottom edges of Lincoln's jacket and vest, connecting to the rim. One possible explanation is a wire brush polishing, with the brush slightly angled.

I haven't seen any of these on reverse dies.

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thank you @coop and @fortcollins that is what I was looking for!
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