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Golden Turkish-Ottoman Empire Coin - Authentic Or Fake?

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 Posted 04/02/2019  10:00 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Leonardo Toni to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I have recently inherited this coin, which is cataloged from the Turkish-Ottoman Empire - Mahmudiye Mahmud II 1223/27.

However, I question whether it is an authentic gold or fake piece.

It seems very light... I would like some tips to unravel this puzzle ...

Thank you very much!

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Golden-Turkish-Ottoman-Empire-Coin----Authentic-Or-Fake?
Golden-Turkish-Ottoman-Empire-Coin----Authentic-Or-Fake?
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 Posted 04/02/2019  11:42 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Albert to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Tips: Identify exactly what your coin is supposed to be and find the specifications. Weigh and measure your piece and compare.
Also look under a microscope to see if there is base metal under some gold plating.
If it happens to be CEDID MAHMUDIYE KM#645 it should be 1.58 to 1.60g
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The 1st pic shows, @ 12 o'clock, where it may have worn through.

Take a look @ this original.


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Not the same coin.
Try this one:
Although the OP images are poor, it does look like base metal is showing.

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I have a few of those brass (plated?) replicas. The quality is so poor that I doubt that they were made for deception purposes.
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not my area of expertise, but that doesn't really look like a struck coin. Where are the dentils? There is absolutely no trace of them
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Many replicas were made for jewelers and in different ways for other purposes.
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These brass replicas of Ottoman gold and silver coins are intended for jewellery purposes. They are often found holed, and would have been intended to form part of a dancer's costume, (hence their often-encounterd nickname of "belly dancer token") or some other object that required a dangly coin-like decoration. I have seen them dangling off the drink dispensers of the traditional sherbet-sellers wandering around the Grand Bazaar in Istanbul.

This particular replica is very commonly seen; it cna be identified by the rather clumsy rendering of the script. FOr example, the ocin icopying a coin that was dated "Year 28", but the Arabic numeral "2" is written more like the Arabic numeral "7", making it look like the coin is dated "Year 78" - and no Ottoman sultan ruled for that long.
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