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Cleaning PVC Damage On Bronze Coins

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I have a beautiful 1901 British penny in AU+ that is very badly covered in green PVC crust. I have tried soaking it in acetone for a few days, but not much improvement was made. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated!
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That would have been my guess. Can't think of anything else that would not be too harsh
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If it's "crust" I doubt that it's PVC "slime". It might be verdigris. There's a forum thread about a cleaner for that.

Of course, if it's eaten into the surface, you're screwed.
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biggfredd- no it is just on the surface of the coin. Absolutely no pitting is present. So it definately is just really bad PVC damage.
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PVC residue is usually "gooey" looking rather than crusty. Once it looks crusty, there is usually metal damage, even though it might be microscopic. Acetone would have taken any residue off. I think verdigris , even if it is still just a thin film and no visible pitting, is the problem.

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Well, do you think that trying to soak it in Acetone for much longer would have better results?
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If acetone doesn't do anything after a few minutes, keeping it in for longer isn't going to help. Whatever the green stuff is, it isn't acetone-soluble.

Can we see pics? That might help us decide. But right now,it's sounding like an excellent candidate for BadThad's magic elixir.
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Here are some pics. Honestly I once had a canadian silver dollar that was just as badly covered in PVC that had hardened on the coin. Acetone didn't work then either. I ended up using a chemical called "MS70" that was lent to me by my coin dealer.



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Yup. Looks like verdigris.
Check out these two threads:
https://goccf.com/t/30324&whichpage=1 - testing out "BadThad's magic elixir" pictures included
https://goccf.com/t/33105&whichpage=1 - how to buy "BadThad's magic elixir"
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I once had a canadian silver dollar that was just as badly covered in PVC that had hardened on the coin

The difference is silver dollars don't get verdigris except under extremely rare circumstances.

Another green is leather crud, where leather has deteriorated. It will come off with your fingernail.
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True that Acetone does not always work. What it appears to be on the coins from the photos is exposure to a Sulfate. Sulfur in the form of an Acid will attack Copper to form a dark greenish discoloration and if in enough quantities even lumpyness. If this is a Sulfate or Sulfite problem, try soaking in distilled water for a few days. Copper Sulfate, CuSO4, is soluable and will just dissolve off. If it's a Verdigris from exposure to an Acetate, it too may loose some of the contamination. Regardless, from what I see on the photos it appears that when that corrosion is removed, there will be massive markings left from that.
If you use Acetone, always remember to test it by allowing some to evaporate on a clean glass dish. If any residue, discard as contaminated. Also, when trying any method do not use metal or plastic containers.
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Also remember that nail polish remover is acetone plus a bunch of other crap like fragrances, softeners, etc. NEVER use it to clean coins.

The reason the standard rule is "Don't clean coins" is because the first step is to know what it is you're trying to remove.

In most cases, you'll do far more irreversible damage by cleaning a coin the wrong way than you'll ever improve it. Not to mention wasting your time instead of letting the buyer deal with it.
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Thanks for the input, everyone! I still won't throw in teh towel on this one just yet though. So, we'll see what happens.
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I have a bottle of that MS70 stuff.It is just an industrial strength soap.I have tried it on verdigris copper.You let it soak for a few minutes and massage with a q-tip.It removed most of the green but left the toning ok...I tried it on a spare Peace dollar that had black crap all over it and it made it look much better,not like it was dipped.I don't think I would ever use it on any of my Special coins though...
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After reading the thread on BadThad's solution,I would use that over anything else.Looks really good...

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Also remember that nail polish remover is acetone plus a bunch of other crap like fragrances, softeners, etc. NEVER use it to clean coins.

But you failed to mention how nice the coins could end up smelling. And just what is wrong with a soft coin?
Meanwhile, just to play safe, try the safest, cheapest, methods first. Since you may already have the Acetone, try leaving it in a little longer. Now here is something I read but it never worked for me. Placing your coin in Acetone in a clear glass container and placing it in the sun light.
Try a soaking in distilled water. Again, nothing to loose and you can always use distilled water for other things.
Additional attempts to remove that contamination may result in permanent damage but if you insist on trying, here are a few other things that may or may not work. A little Lemon or Lime Juice, or Tomato Juice or even Ketchup. Now the problem here is these items are acidic so the mild acid may remove that stuff but will make the entire coin looked cleaned. Some people swear by using Olive Oils to remove junk on coins. I usually swear at them though.
I repeat that the removal of the stuff on your coin may proof to be a bad mistake.
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