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 Posted 08/24/2008  09:40 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Helloman to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hello,

I hope someone can answer my query about modern silver and, or, gold coins of limited edition. This is not country specific.

What would you consider a low mintage that has a rare status?

Thanks in advance.
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 Posted 08/24/2008  10:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biggfredd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
According to most rarity charts, under 100.

Limited editions are usually limited to the number of suckers buyers in the world who are even vaguely interested in the product.

It doesn't mean much to limit something to 1000 if there are only 50 serious collectors of it.
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 Posted 08/24/2008  10:33 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Helloman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for your reply biggfredd.

I am assuming that if there are low mintages surely there is opportunity in the future long term regardless of current demand. Not all mintages are reached so I see your point.

Thanks again.
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 Posted 08/24/2008  10:53 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biggfredd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
To make money, you're almost always better off with high demand than low supply. It's a lot easier to find a buyer when there are a million people who want something there are only 500,000 of, than if there are 20 people who want something where there are only 10.

When the Vatican came out with sets of Yurros, they made thousands of them. They wouldn't count as rare by any stretch of the imagination.

However, in addition to collectors of Yurros, there were people who collected some of the design elements, and millions of Catholics around the world who would love to have a coin with the Pope on it.

As a result, if you were lucky enough to get a set, you could put it on ebay and get $300-600 for it. Not bad for a $12.50 or so investment.
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 Posted 08/24/2008  12:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
WELCOME TO THE FORUM
Most people when discussing this usually forget about the growing population of people everywhere. In the USA alone it is estimated there are 300,000,000 people. Of course this depends on how many crossed the border sinch I started this reply. Then too since the Mint started these massive coin collecting types, such as the State Quarters and Presidential dollars, the amount of collectors has also grown. The internet has now introduced the entire World to USA coins as well. This would mean possibly hundreds of millions of coin collectors today compared to only a few million not long ago.
When I was a kid a mintage of several millions of a coin was excessive due to not many coin collectors. No books on coins, no TV adds for coins (NO TV EITHER), Silver coins were as common as bad teeth and everyone abused pennies.
Due to this I would assume any coins minted less than 1,000,000 would soon become difficult to find if not impossible. Of course there are a few other items to consider. The popularity of such coins and the ability to collect coins at all due to a poor economy.
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 Posted 08/24/2008  4:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biggfredd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Check ebay for a roll of svdbs. Not what I'd call difficult to find.
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 Posted 08/24/2008  9:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add m9frank to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
fred, do you mean vatican EURO?
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 Posted 08/24/2008  10:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biggfredd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yeah, but I figured people might not know what a € was. :)
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 Posted 08/25/2008  05:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Kabiye_Lady to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree that it's better to have high demand rather than low mintage.

There are also rarities (or not) based on condition. For example, with Franklins, even though mintages vary from 2.5 million to 35+ million, they're all worth about the same up to VF condition.

Finally people often pick anything under 1 million as low mintage for regular, business strikes. Comparatively speaking, this is true. However, 1 million is a LOT and if the coin only interests coin collectors, there are way, way more than the number of collectors.

The Pope example is a good one for high demand. Another one is this lincoln frenzy where all these coin collectors think they'll be selling their lincolns for huge profits in 2009. So far they're just selling to each other, but the point is that they've created their own little demand world and the prices have risen. Wait to see if the general population gets excited in a few months

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 Posted 08/25/2008  10:42 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Helloman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for all of your responses. As I am Australian I don't know much about Franklins etc. but I get the point and I must say there is some knowledge on this forum.

So high demand and low mintage the better.

Cheers..
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 Posted 08/25/2008  11:00 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wwhitman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
With Kabiye_Lady

I have some coins that only 1600 minted and 200 years old that are worth less the others that 17Million minted and 70 years old. Demand is more important than numbers. Probably a mathematician would say the ratio of demand and minted would be a better estimate
But I am not one of those.
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 Posted 08/25/2008  9:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add PennehChaos to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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To make money, you're almost always better off with high demand than low supply. It's a lot easier to find a buyer when there are a million people who want something there are only 500,000 of, than if there are 20 people who want something where there are only 10.


Very true... Old cars are another hobby of mine, and one of my favorite sayings is "Sometimes 'rare' just means that nobody wanted them when they were new, either". Old funeral coaches (hearses) and ambulances were painstakingly hand-built, production of a particular model by a particular coachbuilder usually came to less than a hundred, and they were generally more expensive than any production car of the day. Yet, compare their current value to that of a contemporary convertible, and they're worth next to nothing (with a few exceptions).

In the U.S., one example is the "First Spouse" gold coins... If a more popular issue (Cent, Quarter, even the American Silver Eagle) had a variant with a similar mintage figure, they'd be a valuable rarity. The First Spouse coins, on the other hand...
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 Posted 08/27/2008  11:33 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Thanks for all of your responses. As I am Australian I don't know much about Franklins etc. but I get the point and I must say there is some knowledge on this forum.

So high demand and low mintage the better.


There is an easy solution you know. Move here to the USA. It's easy, you just go to Mexico and walk accross the border. Every one does.

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Very true... Old cars are another hobby of mine, and one of my favorite sayings is "Sometimes 'rare' just means that nobody wanted them when they were new, either". Old funeral coaches (hearses) and ambulances were painstakingly hand-built, production of a particular model by a particular coachbuilder usually came to less than a hundred, and they were generally more expensive than any production car of the day. Yet, compare their current value to that of a contemporary convertible, and they're worth next to nothing (with a few exceptions).


I know what you mean. My 1967 Imperial convertible with 24,000 miles has about a 477 made in 67 and no one wants one of those monsters. I could sell my 1968 Newport convertible easier. I redcently put my 81 Monte Carlo for sale and it went in a week and there was millions of them made. People are nuts.
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 Posted 08/27/2008  12:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add gxseries to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Low mintage doesn't really mean much as it depends on the country's economic status, reputation and more importantly demand. For instance, a mintage of 10 minted for the Niue Island versus a mintage of 1000 struck for the US - I'm sure there is a big difference in pricing.

Btw I see that you are in Japan, here is an example:

Modern-Rare-Coins

Mintage of 50,000 which is quite a lot but it goes for several hundreds of dollar. The last time I checked, it went over 600USD.

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 Posted 08/27/2008  3:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add PennehChaos to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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I know what you mean. My 1967 Imperial convertible with 24,000 miles has about a 477 made in 67 and no one wants one of those monsters.


I want one! It's probably green, isn't it? I swear every Imperial built in '67 and '68 was painted green, and it's just not an attractive color these days.
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 Posted 08/27/2008  5:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biggfredd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Carl-

Pix of the Imperial. Is it bigger than a Newport? How much?
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