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ATB 5oz Apparent Anomaly

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Not sure I've placed this in the correct area, moderators feel free to relocate.
Back in 2011 I was one of the fortunate ones who got through and was able to order the first 5 oz ATB collector version coins. As a result, I've continued and have a complete run. Kind of looking forward to the end of the series as that will be a nice increase in my yearly cash flow. Anyway, as a result, I have an interest in this series and I follow the sales figures as printed in Numismatic News. I'm wondering if there is a logical reason why only 14,700 of the George Rogers Clark issue was sold when all the other coins tend to sell around 17,000+ . Additionally, why have the last two issues sold 80,000 coins when typically sales seem to range in the area of 30,000. Anyone know?
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You got it right.
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Could it be because "George Rogers Clark" was unfamiliar to enough people who would have bought a "Lewis and Clark" coin?
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First you are combining two different products in the same question...the P and the bullion pucks.

Regarding the P version yes the Clark is the key of the series just edging out Denali and Hawaii. It was released the first week of December and, I guess, the Mint moved on to the next years' stuff. There is a dedicated thread discussing it here somewhere....

Now about the bullion version...no rhyme or reason with the numbers produced. You are correct in that sometimes there is 30k, 80k or 100k produced. I AM surprised with 80k of the last one since they have issues with available blanks for the Apollo saucers. In other words...sometimes they just do what they do....

Edit: I remember one bullion issue, I think it was Shawnee, that finished production and the next one was being delivered...and the next one...and then maybe 20K-30k more Shawnee showed up. You just don't know what they will do
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There's a running thread about ATB pucks here in this forum... dozens of pages and the info you seek is probably buried in there somewhere.

I don't know why Clark had such a low figure, but I'm happy I have my one (I, like you, have a complete run of the P-pucks). I'm not sure about your 80k figure for "the last two". By the way, which two are you referring to? Block and Cumberland? I think Fox has it right that you're mixing the two P and unc offerings.
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@Celtic - not sure dozens of pages covers it, more like hundreds :)
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Technically 298 is "dozens".... nearly 25 dozen as a matter of fact.
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Numismatic News has a weekly feature called "Mint Statistics" in which they report mintage figures for year to date and past year. The 4/16/19 issue of NN shows production of the bullion (no P) 5 oz ATB Block and Lowell issues at 80,000 whereas past issuances (going back to Effigy Mounds generally shows mintage totals around 20-40,000.
Going back to 2017, mintage figures for the George Rogers Clark collector coin (with the P designation and matte finish) shows 14,731 whereas other issues are right at 17,500 give or take a couple of hundred. The Clark coin is no longer for sale through the mint. My guess on that one, as has been previously speculated here, is that the Clark coin, being the last one issued for the year was available for a shorter period and hence the 17% drop in sales, or I could be wrong.
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