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vince1977 Pillar of the Community Netherlands 847 Posts	Posted 04/09/2019 08:13 am I have this bronze piece with a big bird on the reverse. It looks Like an Savoyen coin. Or another italien piece. Does anyone happens to know this one? * Moved by Staff moved to a more appropriate forum. * Report this Post to the Staff

vince1977 Pillar of the Community Netherlands 847 Posts	Posted 04/09/2019 08:21 am Found it : ITALY. Sicily. Corradino di Svevia (1254-1258/68). Ae Denaro. Messina. Obv: Eagle standing left, head right, with wings spread. Rev: Cross pattee over long cross Report this Post to the Staff
Spence Moderator United States 34426 Posts	Posted 04/09/2019 9:18 pm @vince1977, based on the Eagle design element, I agree that this coin comes from 13th century Messina. However, this particular Denaro is unlisted in my Biaggi, so I can't confirm the issuing ruler. Frederick II (1197 to 1250) had a few coins with that odd long cross, but you could easily be right with Corrado II. Too bad that so much of the inscriptions are missing on your coin due to edge chipping. "If you climb a good tree, you get a push." -----Ghanaian proverb "The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed." -----King Adz Report this Post to the Staff
austrokiwi Pillar of the Community 2087 Posts	Posted 04/10/2019 12:52 am From MEC vol 14. Confirms the ruler is Conradin(1254 -58) From what I can see of the legend in the photos it was struck in Messina Legends Ob: +CONR.SD'S.IERL REV: .[ET] SICI LIE [RE]X Catalogued as 591 Edited by austrokiwi 04/10/2019 12:53 am Report this Post to the Staff
vince1977 Pillar of the Community Netherlands 847 Posts	Posted 04/13/2019 3:03 pm Could you put these type of coins as a crusader piece? I am just curious Report this Post to the Staff
Spence Moderator United States 34426 Posts	Posted 04/13/2019 5:09 pm Good question @vince. It isn't in Malloy's Coins of the Crusader States; in fact, no coins minted in Messina are listed. That suggests to me that it shouldn't be listed as crusader. Someone who is a better student of history may disagree. By the way, based on the great info that @AK provided, here is a link to a similar Dea Moneta piece with additional info: https://www.deamoneta.com/auctions/view/389/1136 "If you climb a good tree, you get a push." -----Ghanaian proverb "The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed." -----King Adz Report this Post to the Staff
Kushanshah Pillar of the Community United States 1554 Posts	Posted 04/13/2019 5:38 pm Whether or not it can be called a "crusader" coin depends on how widely you wish to cast your net. Your coin was issued by the man who held the title King of Jerusalem. However, it was struck in his capacity as King of Sicily for use on that Island. Report this Post to the Staff
tdziemia Pillar of the Community United States 7955 Posts	Posted 04/13/2019 11:36 pm Quote: Could you put these type of coins as a crusader piece? I am just curious I would say no. I am not as experienced in medieval coins as @spence and @kushanshah, but you can find manly claimants to the throne of Jerusalem in European royal dynasties, who put this title on their coins long after European rule was wrested away by local (i.e. Islamic) sovereigns I those paces. I think the honest claimants to that category of "crusader coins" are coins issued in the name of European nobles for use in the Middle East in the Crusade era, roughly 11th to late 14th centuries. Edited by tdziemia 04/13/2019 11:39 pm Report this Post to the Staff
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