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1909-S VDB Purchased Grade Edit

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This coin came into the shop today in a cigar box with a couple hundred 2x2's in it...This guy had no clue what he had, I think he was selling it for someone's estate or something. It started out like many buys, a few no-date nickels....worn wheats...AG V nickels..and then , a MS 1931-S pops up..then an AU 1909-S...and then this one presented itself. I have never personally had one this nice in my hands before today . This guy could not have been happier after he was told what it was and how much it was worth. I will post the grade it was purchased at this weekend, for now I will let you guys decide what it is. Sorry about the pics, I had to take them at the shop under less than ideal photo conditions...best I can do, unless I buy it ! and that ain't happening at this grade....The coin is Red for sure, despite what the pics might show here from the fluorescent light on the scope.
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Nice job on the overlay xshift, I gotta figure that one out ! Let me start out by saying this coin is RED, no matter what the pics show- I promise you when this gets back from PCGS, it will have a RED grade- Not RB or BN....RED As far as authenticity, I would trust Clyde's judgment on any coin, and he will not buy a questionable coin. I also have confidence in his grading skills- He purchased this coin at an MS-64 price of $3000 (10% back of Greysheet ask of $3300). He is confident it is a 64,and possibly a 65. I will surely let you know what it gets when it gets back.

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08/23/2008 11:21 pm
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 Posted 08/21/2008  9:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nlp coins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Sure is a beaut! nlp
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 Posted 08/21/2008  10:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add KurtS to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
What a great story and discovery for that guy!
There's some nice toning on that, and the markers on the mm are very clear.
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08/21/2008 10:10 pm
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 Posted 08/21/2008  11:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MarkJ to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
What a find!
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 Posted 08/22/2008  02:04 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add 1sikevo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Wow... a collector's dream ! Must have left with a smile on his face !
Looks MS 64 RB from the pics.
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I'd say AU55 with all that I have.
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II, I'm not convinced. It could be just the hurried pictures. The V appears to have the narrow bar on the left side when it should be on the right. The periods appear to have been pushed upward. Could be just shadows. Is that polishing lines all over the initials? Of course, I don't know what magnification is used, so this could be the surface of a coin mine eyes have never seen before. Also the die chip in upper loop of mintmark appears manmade by gouging the coin from the edge of S toward center. Again magnification? The mintmark itself appears great. Just feels a little fishy, bunch of junk coins and three key Lincolns. I guess stranger things have happened. You've prooven your ability to spot rareities so I hope it's my eyes that are wrong.
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 Posted 08/22/2008  08:04 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Susanlynn9 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think it's authentic and would grade it AU55 from the pics. If the coin was pictured in a holder, it might actually be higher. Oftentimes, a holder can flatten the details in the image.
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AU55 would be my guess. There looks to be wear on the cheek and beard by the photo's. It could be the pic was taken in a 2x2 and it just looks flat in those areas.
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I would go as high as Au-58 on that puppy. IMO the VDB and the S look spot on. The s has the die chip and the cut in the upper serif. Any thoughts on Die pair here folks? I'm leaning towards a 3 myself
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 Posted 08/22/2008  12:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add KurtS to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
#4 perhaps?

1909-S--VDB--Purchased-Grade-Edit

As for grade, I find photos pretty tough to grade by, especially borderline coins like this.
If I'm seeing slight rubbing on the high points on Lincoln's jaw and cheek, I might say AU55-58. MS64 RD? Boy I was off!
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08/23/2008 11:12 pm
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Hmmm... I'm a little off on my Lincoln grade today ? Sending my resume to SGS today
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08/22/2008 1:01 pm
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 Posted 08/22/2008  4:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chrsb to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Susanlynn must have been typing right as I was, funny how we had the same thing to say about the coin :)
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Looks to be some wear on the cheek from the pics. I'm very surprized this coin is red. Based on these pics, AU-58 Red.
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MorgansRmine, I agree. I wouldn't buy it. That mint mark looks glued on.

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"That mint mark looks glued on."

If that mm was glued on, it was done so at the molecular level. FYI, the "man-made chip" in the upper loop of the S is a marker for a genuine 1909-S VDB.
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