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1941 LWC/Panama 1 1/4 Centesimos

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Good morning everyone. I had 13 1941 brass Lincoln wheat cents in my collection and out of those 13 nine of them were of the foreign planchet Panama 1 1/4 Centesimos. They are all in great shape for the year and I just thought I would share them with you and also wondering if anybody else has these in their collection.Here are a few images if you would like to have a look
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What are the markers for it being on a foreign planchet?
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Yeah curious also how can you tell? Looks like a regular LWC to me.

I'm not gonna say you're wrong without knowing more but I know for a fact that in 1940 Philadelphia mint did strike 1 1/4 centesimo for panama. The problem I have is that the 1 1/4 centesimo is struck on standard u.s. cent planchets at that time to begin with and there is no size, weight or compositional difference between a 1940 1 1/4 centesimo and a 1941 Lincoln Wheat cent.
From PCGS
"1941 Lincoln Cent -- Struck on a Panama 1C Planchet -- MS65 PCGS. In 1940, the U.S. Mint struck bronze 1-1/4 centesimos and copper-nickel 2-1/2 centesimos for Panama. Since the 3.1 gram bronze KM-15 1-1/4 centesimos were presumably struck on U.S. cent planchets, the PCGS inscription must be a reference to the copper-nickel KM-16 2-1/2 centesimos planchets."

The 1941 example that exists and graded by PCGS was stamped on a 2 1/2 centismo which is a different composition and weight. It was copper nickel. The cent and the 1 1/4 centesimos had 3.1 grams and diameter of 19.05 mm.
The 2 1/2 centesimos had 3.3 grams and a diameter of 18 mm.

So please enlighten me how you identified it being a 1941 on a 1 1/4 centesimo, I'd really like to know how to identify it.far as I know it was the same us cent planchet used for the 1 1/4 centesimo.
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Actually, my bad, that quote was from the heritage auction listing, not PCGS. I attributed it wrong.
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Looks pretty normal to me.
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Here are a few other examples of mine. The first is a reverse image where you can see the facial features beginning with the front of his helmet just above and to the left of the"O" in ONE, down to his chin extending out past the "C" in CENT. The second is an obverse image where you can see the shape of the helmet. The coin is the same as the brass foreign Panama planchet which was used at 3.1 grams. How they will test it or acknowledge it or recognize it is beyond me I am just going by what the coin collector has told me. Here are the images to the best I can get them for you. And again, I am going by what the coin dealer informed me and he said he wouldn't waste my money (He is sending 2 in).
1941-LWC/Panama-1-1/4-Centesimos
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What you're seeing is coincidental staining and Pareidolia. A normal Lincoln Wheat cent.
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If that's the case that is fine he said he will reimburse me so I went ahead with it I guess there's no harm no foul I can't really lose in the situation so I will just see what happens. But he showed me the same coins, 2 of which are his, and all of the markings were the same as mine. Which ones I cannot tell you guys. Again, I am just going by what he said.
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Please let us know the outcome. What is your photo set up?
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Ask before you buy. A lot of bottom feeders out there.
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On ebay, If they description is too long, pass. They are just trying to reel you in.
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