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New Member
United Kingdom
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Hi I'm new here. I got a lot of coins a few months ago. This NERO one is the only coin I find questionable of its authenticity. Ironically it was one of the more expensive I won in a bid on ebay. The seller sells a constant flow of old coins, rings, and other artifacts all with many bidders. This coin was described as an extremely rare ancient Roman Sestertius Nero .24,0 GR 33mm. Please check out the attached pic, if any experts here can tell me if the coin is genuine? The seller speaks limited English and although he replaced a missing coin from the batch I purchased, he had not replied to my question about this coin as it has passed the point of returns in any case. The coin just seems to feel a little too smooth, "too perfect" as my friend said questioning it. However there certainly was many bidders interested in it and I assume the majority of bidders on this ebay sellers page know their coins. All the Nero coins I've checked online seem to vary a lot. I've found one of a similar design but not the same either. Thanks   Edited by Ancientness 05/06/2019 9:39 pm
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Moderator
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 to the Community! Your post was moved to the appropriate forum for the proper attention. 
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 to the community The coin is Claudius not Nero and would be a valuable example in this condition. IMO it looks too good to be a genuine example. I'm sure our Roman collectors will be along to comment. I hope I'm wrong and it turns out to be genuine.
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Pillar of the Community
Russian Federation
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I am about 90% sure that this is fake. Really don't like the look of the lettering. I would not have bought it if it was sold individually.
That said, I'm very far from an expert, and it's possible (though unlikely) that this coin is in fact real.
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New Member
 United Kingdom
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Hi, Thanks for the welcomes. Wow I didn't realise it was a Claudius coin but you're absolutely right. I searched it and could not find the same coin but I found some pretty close. However I also agree I believe ths particular coin is a fake. Compared to the others it is just too perfect and smooth - especially the near perfect roundness and smooth edges. The fake also just looks brand new stamped like no wear at all. I've attached some photos below of the best matches I could find. The nearest I found looks to be what this forgery was based on - only missing the little studs around its outside. I also found someone posted a pic of their fake Claudius coin and the smoothness of the metal seems to be just like my one. There's a sort of oily glossed look to it. If someone can show me evidence that proves this is fake I'm sure I can get a refund as it was listed as a "Nero" coin and turned out to be a fake Claudius... lol       
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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The high points should be worn with crispness remaining in the recesses. This coin has an overall soapy softness typical of cast fakes. One would expect a genuine example of this type in similar condition to sell somewhere north of $1000, even on ebay. The price you paid is a red flag in its own right.
Edited by Kushanshah 05/06/2019 7:44 pm
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Bedrock of the Community
Australia
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I would like to see an independently provable provenance for this coin.
I am not happy with the style of the die cutting on the reverse, it is out of character with other sestertii of Nero that I have reviewed on Vcoins.
If it is a modern fake (and I think thus far, that it is), it should XRF test as a discreet controlled alloy of brass, (copper and zinc only). The ancients could not refine copper as well as in modern times, and as a result a modern alloy would be devoid of a wide variety of the trace elements that may be found in the alloy of a Roman sestertius. The Roman term for a brass alloy of copper and zinc is 'orichalcum'.
I agree with the comments that the surfaces look (and probably feel) 'greasy'. This often indicates (but not always) that suspect sestertius is fake.
Edited by sel_69l 05/06/2019 7:56 pm
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Edited by Kushanshah 05/06/2019 8:03 pm
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Perhaps a match? From the fake reports: 
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Bedrock of the Community
Australia
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It is probable in this case, that the seller can't honestly be really sure if the coin is genuine or not.
'Caveat Emptor' becomes critical. Just attempt to sell it, in the hope that it may indeed be genuine.
I would pass on this one.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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The seller of this coin ancientearth2006 is on Forvm's "Notorious Fake Sellers List".
Edited by Kushanshah 05/06/2019 8:13 pm
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New Member
 United Kingdom
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Edited by Ancientness 05/06/2019 9:44 pm
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New Member
 United Kingdom
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If this ring is fake it's the most disappointing :/ 
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Nothing suspicious about the return policy. That's an industry standard practice. In my opinion, the "Indo-Greek" (Kushan), Byzantine, Islamic, Crusader bulk lot and Greek bronzes are likely genuine. Most of the silver and the rings are certainly fake. This is a common pattern on ebay. We've all learned expensive lessons along the way. I hope this will not dissuade you from your interest in ancient coins.
Edited by Kushanshah 05/06/2019 9:48 pm
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There is a mixture of both genuine and fake coins that you bought. The Kushan coins all appear genuine while most of the silver coins are fakes. The rings are also fakes. Sorry to have to tell you this.
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@ancientness, first welcome to CCF. Second, I was bummed to read through this thread and see that are have not gotten started off on the right foot. I wouldn't recommend purchasing these sorts of coins off of ebay, although I do note that there are some very good sellers there too. You will see a sticky thread on this part of the forum with recommended and not recommended sellers of ancient coins. Consider working with someone from the former rather than the latter. Finally, for some of the coins which do appear to be real in your collection, if you would like some help with the identification process, please feel free to start a new thread and post them here. We love a challenge!
"If you climb a good tree, you get a push." -----Ghanaian proverb
"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed." -----King Adz
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