| Author |
Replies: 15 / Views: 2,356 |
|
|
New Member
12 Posts |
Anyone recognize this hallmark? 
|
|
|
|
Moderator
 United States
34418 Posts |
"If you climb a good tree, you get a push." -----Ghanaian proverb
"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed." -----King Adz
|
|
Bedrock of the Community
Australia
21788 Posts |
Maker's mark yes. Not a solid sterling silver hallmark.
Some early American silver can bring astronomical prices at auction, relative to contemporary British silver.
Edited by sel_69l 05/24/2019 9:37 pm
|
|
New Member
 12 Posts |
After an exhaustive search I've found nothing at all that resembles that mark. I agree it's not sterling. Any further (free) advice would've appreciated!#128518;
|
|
New Member
 12 Posts |
I'm assuming "200 1/2 10" represents the silver content in some way, but I also can't find anything on that particular mark either. My guess would be it's a fancy way of saying 25% silver.
Edited by Cspiro87 05/24/2019 11:25 pm
|
|
Bedrock of the Community
 United States
12477 Posts |
I doubt the silver content is near 25%. It's "quadruple plated" and those layers are very thin. Unless the item itself is rare, silver plated doesn't mean much.
In Memory of Crazyb0 12-26-1951 to 7-27-2020 In Memory of Tootallious 3-31-1964 to 4-15-2020 In Memory of T-BOP 10-12-1949 to 1-19-2024
|
|
New Member
 12 Posts |
Alright after that previous comment from spruett, let me stop for a second and make it abundantly clear that I'm aware that silverplate is not sterling silver, that it does not constitute high value in and of itself and that my plate is most likely garbage. I regret giving my interpretation of the numbers because it was based on poor research.
Going forward, If you have credible and verifiable information regarding who the maker is/was or what the numbers mean I would appreciate it. Thank you, that's all.
|
|
Bedrock of the Community
Australia
21788 Posts |
Some silver plate is far from low value. There are some excellent examples of antique Sheffield plate.
|
|
Formerly nancyc
Australia
5385 Posts |
I know zip about hallmarks but this one appears to me to be a fancy T&C.
What is the item it's on?
life is a mystery to be lived not a problem to be solved
|
|
Bedrock of the Community
 United States
12477 Posts |
Quote: Some silver plate is far from low value. There are some excellent examples of antique Sheffield plate.  I was not attempting to come off as dismissive in any way of you or your piece, Cspiro87.  Can we see pics of the full piece, as Nevol asked? 
In Memory of Crazyb0 12-26-1951 to 7-27-2020 In Memory of Tootallious 3-31-1964 to 4-15-2020 In Memory of T-BOP 10-12-1949 to 1-19-2024
|
|
New Member
 12 Posts |
|
|
Pillar of the Community
United States
3343 Posts |
Here's the best source I know for silverplate marks. https://sterlingflatwarefashions.co...gs/SPT1.htmlThe closest I can find is S&C. Sternau & Company, makers of items like yours and remembered primarily for inventing Sterno. There's a lot on ebay, but I can't find any with that script mark shown on the above website. This one is very similar in appearance to yours, and bears a quadruple plate mark but not the script hallmark. Many makers used quadruple plate marks though. https://www.ebay.com/itm/Antique-S-...!97408!US!-1Regarding sel's comment, in general American colonial silver is a little pricier than English, for pieces of the same age (and not made by Paul Revere). However the English pieces get very expensive as you push towards the 1600's. My earliest is an English dognose tablespoon ca 1702 and it was not cheap.
"Two minutes ago I would have sold my chances for a tired dime." Fred Astaire
Edited by thq 06/03/2019 11:36 pm
|
|
Pillar of the Community
United States
9792 Posts |
Quote: I doubt the silver content is near 25%. It's "quadruple plated" and those layers are very thin. Unless the item itself is rare, silver plated doesn't mean much. Actually exactly the opposite is true... What is Quadruple plate? Quadruple silver plate items are NOT plated four times, they simply were plated with four times as much pure silver, known in the industry as .925, as any other hollowware item. Quadruple silver plate hollowware was some of the highest quality made during the later part of the 19th century. This item does not appear to be hollowware, generally things more ornamental like candle sticks and spoons/ladles, etc. Sometimes filled with a hard wax. I used to have to break these items up during the silver boom in 1979, at the coin shop I worked at, hard tough work using tin snips and a hammer to get all the wax out for an accurate weight of the silver. Silverplate is the common term for electroplating and can be done on copper, nickel silver (sometimes called "German silver"), white metal, or other base element. It is a machine process and contains minimal silver (not enough to scrape off or melt away). Even if a piece is marked "Quadruple" plate, it has only .0012 inch thickness of silver applied to the base metal, not sufficiently different from "Standard plate"-which has a thickness of only .0003 inches. The back of this plate has some fairly deep scratches in it as well, so I'm thinking the base metal is white and not a brass, otherwise we would see a different color in the deep crevice of the scratches, the plating could have been done after the engraving so they may not show the base metal. Would be interesting to have an XFR done on it to see it's total composition. These marks also do NOT appear to be actual Hallmarks, but simply an engravers mark. Only the Quadruple plate 200 1/2 - 10 do appear to be from stamps. I think the look of the plate is more modern, but can't find anything on it either, possibly a generic quadruple plate platter that has been engraved by a local jeweler? Wish I could help more, I love a good mystery and tracking down answers, but so far I am also coming up blank.
"Buy the Book Before You Buy the Coin" - Aaron R. Feldman - "And read it" - Me 2013! ANA Life Member #3288 in good standing since 1981, ANS, Early American Coppers Member (EAC), Colonial Coin Collectors Club member (C4), Conder Token Collector Club member (CTCC), Civil War Token Society (CWTS) member, Liberty Seated Collectors Club (LSCC) & Numismatic Bibliomania Society member (NBS), USMex, Member in good standing, 2˘ variety collector. See my want page: http://goccf.com/t/140440
Edited by westcoin 06/04/2019 01:12 am
|
|
Bedrock of the Community
 United States
12477 Posts |
Thank you, westcoin, for clarifying the silver plating process in this case. My point still stands concerning overall percentage of silver. Whether it's a single .0012" layer or four stacked .0003" layers is irrelevant. It still adds no considerable silver value to the item, and certainly not close to calling it 25% silver.
In Memory of Crazyb0 12-26-1951 to 7-27-2020 In Memory of Tootallious 3-31-1964 to 4-15-2020 In Memory of T-BOP 10-12-1949 to 1-19-2024
|
|
Pillar of the Community
United States
9792 Posts |
Yes any plated precious metal is only worth a very intrinsic amount, but the real interesting thing is the engravers marks, are they old? I can see a similar look to many love tokens from around the early 1900's here. Maybe a close up photo could tell if this was engraved by hand or with an engraving tool? Looks to be handmade to me.
"Buy the Book Before You Buy the Coin" - Aaron R. Feldman - "And read it" - Me 2013! ANA Life Member #3288 in good standing since 1981, ANS, Early American Coppers Member (EAC), Colonial Coin Collectors Club member (C4), Conder Token Collector Club member (CTCC), Civil War Token Society (CWTS) member, Liberty Seated Collectors Club (LSCC) & Numismatic Bibliomania Society member (NBS), USMex, Member in good standing, 2˘ variety collector. See my want page: http://goccf.com/t/140440
|
|
Pillar of the Community
United States
3343 Posts |
Based on westcoin's .0012" plating thickness and an approximate diameter of 12", the tray has 3-4 grams of silver on it, or about $2 worth if you could somehow flake it off.
Regarding sterling hollowware....ugh. After whacking apart a couple of candlesticks I got $5 for the silver foil they were made of.
"Two minutes ago I would have sold my chances for a tired dime." Fred Astaire
|
| |
Replies: 15 / Views: 2,356 |
|