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Nickel Experts; I'm Curious.....

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I''ve been doing some nickel roll searching just looking for old nickels. Why did they make such well struck nickels in the sixties but then it seemed to get progressively worse until the nineties where you rarely find a well struck coin. If I'm imagining things just tell me. Thanks
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Nickel Experts: I am curious as well, but for another reason:
Why is there a tendency for Buffalo nickels to be darker than other types?

Perhaps this thread could answer two questions.
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There is a good book called "The Jefferson nickel Analyst" well worth purchasing. I have a copy signed by the author.

I had a theory that the strike and quality reflected the mood of the nation, but I can't prove it lol.
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Back before the fake energy crisis that raised gasoline prices through the roof and wiped out an awful lot of Americans' disposable income (imagine not having to worry about budgeting gas b/c it was cheap), businesses had a lot more wiggle room in their budgets such that quality was a very primary concern. Doing a job right was part of the American way (think car styles etc, as compared to today).

Everything was of higher quality. We who lived then miss it.

Darkness of Buffalo nickels? No idea unless they changed the alloy? Google would help.
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I am not sure, but the most logical answer is that the mints were striking more coins per die and allowing the dies to wear more than before. If that's the case, then it was most likely a result of trying to save money. Also, I think the dies were reworked during this time at least once. I think the strike quality issues culminated in the early 80s.

I haven't noticed that Buffalo nickels are darker, but I do think that should be discussed separately from strike quality of 60s and 70s Jeffersons.
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Possibly just to many being made and since made of Nickel, not soft enough to make a decent coin.
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Why did they make such well struck nickels in the sixties but then it seemed to get progressively worse until the nineties where you rarely find a well struck coin.

Simple answer higher mintages and much faster presses today. Back in the 1960's each mint may be minting 200 - 300 million coins a year and the presses ran between 60 to 100 coins a minute. As time passed the mint used the dies longer, mintages rose to around 800 million or more from each mint, and since 2002 the press speeds have risen to 750 coins a minute. Now it takes a certain amount of time for the metal to flow into the recesses of the die. As the coining speed rises there isn't enough time for the metal fill. So to counter this they have to keep lowering the relief more and mare.. As the relief lowers the coin looks worse and worse. One of the last thing to fill is the rims and that is why many of the rims and edges of recent nickels are not well formed.
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great question, and one I had wondered in the past. the experts here never disappoint with their knowledge
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I'd also like to point out that this isn't only a nickel thing. Every coin now has a pretty low relief finish. Does give some nice charm to older coins.
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Let's slow the presses down and go back to quality strikes.

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Would be a good idea, but you would need six times as many presses, dies, and more than six times as much room.
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Let's slow the presses down and go back to quality strikes.
I wish, but they cannot mint BILLIONS of them slow.

Now, if you they could get rid of cents and nickels that might free up some time.
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The US population is at best 3-4x what it was back in the good 'ol strike days...certainly we can have good quality strikes with less nickels. Do we really need billions each year? 3-4x what we minted in 1960 should be OK.

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I've always liked MS grade 1940's and 1950's Jefferson nickels the most. Appears the Mint took their time to craft some really nice coins in that era.

As it was explained to me as to why my grandfather had 30k+ nickels stuffed away, there was a crazy Nickel hoarding era that crashed in 1964. In order for the Mint to keep up with demand they cranked up production on the presses for 1960, 61, 62, 63, and 64. The hoarding craze crashed when people realized what they have been hoarding was mostly junk. Whether that hoarding story is true or not, at least that is what was said to me from those who lived it. What I can confirm is that a few years ago I broke open grandfather's nickel hoard and yes, the early 1960s through 1964 was junk as in nothing better than MS64 -- I had a few graded. In total I only saved approx 200 of those Nickels.
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the early 1960s through 1964 was junk as in nothing better than MS64


Anything MS-64 and below is "junk?"
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