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They look more like laminations to me.
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I'm not sure what it is, but I'm reasonably sure it's not a Cud. The rim in that area is intact. I would have expected the rim to be part of the "blob" if it were a Cud. Plus I see no weakness in that area on the reverse. Lamination seems to be the most probable to me. |
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Certainly a neat lam. Congratulations.
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Thanks for the comments and observations. I did think that the interior portion looked like lamination, but the larger, raised area, adjacent to the rim appeared more similar to a Cud. I found the below pic, labeled as a "retained Cud," on the websire cuds-on-coins ....  Pre Cuds
A "Pre Cud" is a precursor to most collectible of all die break errors called a Cud. The Pre Cud starts out as a Rim to Rim Die Crack. When the die break starts to show lateral spread and horizontal offset it now becomes a Retained Cud. If the break separates from the die the result is a fully-fledged Cud.I thought that the above website definition might apply to the 1909 VDB .... The consensus CCF opinion sees it as a lamination. I've seen many a lamination but none comparable to this one that, to me, has a cud-like appearance. Edited by ExoGuy
06/02/2019 5:37 pm
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Lam...I bet you could pry it up easily but I wouldn't do it lol.
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100% sure this a lamination, not a Cud. |
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Regardless of type of error, nice pickup.
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A lamination for sure. Your reference image of the Retained Cud shows how the crack extends through the rim. Your coin doesn't have a crack there which tells me the die didn't break. Words of encouragement are one of the major food groups.
We need to consume them regularly to thrive and grow.
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Quote:Your reference image of the Retained Cud shows how the crack extends through the rim. Your coin doesn't have a crack there which tells me the die didn't break. Yes, I saw that. Noting that diagnosed Cud coin was a significantly higher grade than the one I found, my initial thought was that circulation wear might have "blurred" the lines on the rim. Over the years, I've owned a number of Cuds on large and Indian cents. Then too, I was an avid collector of Buffalo nickels, having had a good many laminated planchets in that series. My confusion on this piece boils down to never having seen quite the like of it. I also cruised error listings on ebay and elsewhere but was unable to match this mutant.  |
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It really is a nice deep "mutant" Lam.  You can see areas on the rev. where the issue shows up between the left wheat tip and the rim. (I would guess it would have more than likely fallen out but the upturning machine probably locked it in place when forming the rim. Words of encouragement are one of the major food groups.
We need to consume them regularly to thrive and grow.
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