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Hello, I recently bought this 1836 shilling online. I saw in the listing that it was an 1836 shilling but with a young head Victoria. As far as I know, the first young head Victoria shilling started in 1838. The head should be of William IV. The coin is defiantly silver. Has anybody heard of this minting error or know if there are any other coins like it? Sorry for the poor image quality. EDIT: Bit more information. My dad who collects coins believes it is a 'type 1/A1'Victooria young head. There were 5 different versions of the young head and the second iteration was introduced in 1848. This makes us think it's not a 1886 shilling. The image isn't very good but looking under a glass and it is a clear 3 in my opinion. https://www.chards.co.uk/blog/victo...-portrait/39  Edited by divad9
06/20/2019 5:42 pm
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Right, that is 1886. The Young Head was used until, as I recall, 1895.
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 Agreed - it is 1886. The young head actually finished on the shillings in 1887 with the switch to the Jubilee head, so this is the penultimate year of issue for this type. Not particularly scarce and in this condition, pretty much scrap silver I'm afraid. |
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 - 1886. Edited by NumisRob
06/20/2019 2:18 pm
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Yup, a knackered 1886.
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06/20/2019 3:47 pm
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Right, forgot about the Jubilee Head.
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Bit more information. My dad who collects coins believes it is a 'type 1/A1'Victooria young head. There were 5 different versions of the young head and the second iteration was introduced in 1848. This makes us think it's not a 1886 shilling. The image isn't very good but looking under a glass and it is a clear 3 in my opinion. https://www.chards.co.uk/blog/victo...-portrait/39Thanks for replies so far! |
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It is an 8, maybe you need to see Specsavers. Some 1887 coins also had the young head.
The coin is very worn (Fair to Good) and really is a melt coin only.
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It is not an A1 - to be that it would be a bit smaller, there would be the WW initials beneath the bust (or at least an area where they would be), and the bun is different too. Here is my 1838, which IS a type A1:  Edited by PaddyB
06/21/2019 03:52 am
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There are four, not five, portrait varieties for the young head shilling and even though worn to little more than silhouette yours is clearly portrait four. The date is 1886. You have mistakenly identified the second eight as a three because of the slight damage to the left side of the upper loop. Here is the date on your coin placed alongside a genuine 1836. You'll note the three is completely different in shape to the eight. While the upper portion of the eight is formed by a loop almost identical in shape to the one below it, the upper portion of the three is formed by straight horizontal lines and a narrow 45 degree diagonal.  Edited by Hogarth
06/21/2019 04:15 am
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Paddy is quite right.
His shilling is first portrait. Compare the little curl of hair hanging from the bun with the same curl on your coin. Completely different.
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I took a look at ebay's completed sales list for 1836 shillings and see you paid £4.99. Today's spot price for 5.6g of silver is around £2.25 so £4.99 plus postage is bit punchy for a scrap metal shilling, but hardly a disaster. Edited by Hogarth
06/21/2019 04:57 am
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People will see what they want to see sometimes - even at a glance I can tell it's an 8 that's just taken a bit of a hit, hardly surprising when you consider the poor condition of it.
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@paddy Apparently the 1838 with WW on the truncation is misidentified a faulty 5 die being the culprit and is in fact the 1858 according to peck. Looks like a perfectly formed 3 to me. Ignore me paddy I am reading copper coins looking at shillings [OO!] brain fart day   Edited by zookeeperz
06/22/2019 05:31 am
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