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2000-P Jefferson Nickel, Die Gouge On Obv.

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2000P Jefferson nickel

Nice die gouge from rim to Jefferson's nose.

2000-P-Jefferson-Nickel,--Die-Gouge-On-Obv. 2000-P-Jefferson-Nickel,--Die-Gouge-On-Obv. 2000-P-Jefferson-Nickel,--Die-Gouge-On-Obv.

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It looks like a die crack. I see them periodically when I roll hunt. I started keeping them and then stopped. They are always at the nose going out to the rim. This must be a weak area on the dies. The dates I have in the group I kept are 1998, 1999, 2000 and 2001.
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pyrbob:

Curious,

any of your 2000P's identical to this one?

*Like how they match up VAM'S etc on Morgan's*
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Good question. I'll have to check at home tonight.
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Yup, die crack - not gouge.
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Thats cool- die crack.

It will be interesting to see if this matches with any 2000P coins that pyrbob has!


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Chuckster, sorry this took so long but I haven't pulled any of these out for a long while and they were all mixed in with other nickels I kept. After I pulled all of these out I separated them by date. There were more dates than I remembered and they all have the die crack from the nose tip to the rim. They are:

1991- qty 1
1993- qty 5
1994- qty 25
1995- qty 11
1996- qty 17
1997- qty 11
1998- qty 5
1999- qty 9
2000- qty 9

None of the 2000 nickels matched your nickel. In fact, none of the 2000 nickels were the same. The cracks on the 2000 nickels went from the nose out to the rim anywhere from the left side of the E to between the E & T close to the T.

There were also nickels in this span of years with cracks from the eyebrow to the rim and on the opposite side from the ponytail to the rim.

It just seemed to me like die cracks were common on nickels especially in the 1990's so I stopped keeping them. But it was fun pulling them back out and looking at them.
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Hi,

On many of our modern coinage designs, there are inherent design flaws that cause dies to crack in the same places all the time.

Most noticeably, the tip of the bust to the edge on States Quarters and Kennedy halves. Included are die breaks from the corners of the Lincoln Monument on Memorial cents out to the rim. On newer nickels, die breaks occur from the tip of the nose to the rim.

It happens on hundreds if not thousands of dies. That is why there is nothing equivalent to VAMS on modern coins. The dies all break the same way pretty consistently.

It is virtually impossible unless you catch a batch of coins from the same die in a box of coins supplied by a counting company to a bank, to match up these relatively common die breaks.

Thanks,
Bill

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Thanks Bill.
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pyrbob:

Thanks for taking the time re-checking your coins and even though there is no match, appreciate it!

I'm going to keep this one as I only have one other Jefferson nickel with a die-gouge on it in my Jefferson nickel Error Collection.

Its a 1991P, but the die gouge is on the reverse.

Pics below.
2000-P-Jefferson-Nickel,--Die-Gouge-On-Obv. 2000-P-Jefferson-Nickel,--Die-Gouge-On-Obv. 2000-P-Jefferson-Nickel,--Die-Gouge-On-Obv.
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Thanks Bill for the explanation regarding "VAMS"

I do have 14 Arizona State Quarters all with the identical die chip and cracks etc - from a roll of State Quarters and also 26 identical diechip/ cracks from the top of Lincoln's head to his forehead, again all from the same bank roll of 1999P Cents so you are correct again, they have to come from a roll etc, and not found separately on their own.




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No problem, now you have an example of a gouge and a crack. Keep looking at your nickels and I'm sure you will find more with the die crack. Thanks for starting the post.
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