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1980 Near Or Far Beaded Canadian Quarter?

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I have this 1980 Canadian quarter and am not sure if its the near or far beaded variety. Looking for some insight on this one. Here are two pics, the 5th pic is my coin and the last pic is a stock pic of a far beaded quarter. It appears the distance from the A in ELIZABETH is great on my coin than the A in ELIZABETH on the coin in the last pic.
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 Posted 09/14/2019  10:25 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jim0815 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This must be an extremely common coin or this is one no one knows about. It's been up several days with no response. When we have questions we ask, when there is no response from resident experts, the coin in question is either extremely common or there is no answer known. I am thankful I am not a new member trying to learn about Canadian coins. Not sure I would come back. I know virtually nothing of Canadian currency although my name is mentioned in coinsandcanada.com as having a first known coin. I definitely expected better from our Canadian coin collector friends.
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It"s not a known variety or error because it is not in Charlton catalogue, as such very little response. Looks like a different obverse die was used to strike this coin maybe a 1979 version, something like the small beads dollar. In the 1970 to 1980 many spectacular errors were custom made by the RCM Hull mint so some of us take this fact into consideration regarding minor errors in this time period. If you can prove to Charlton this is a mule with a previous years obverse and have it listed, then you have a following. I have shared like a 4 struck loonie and had like a dozen replies only, good luck !
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Thank you so much, john100 for your reply. Is there a site in which I could email him regarding this coin?
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There may just not be many modern 25 cent collectors that are regular to the site.
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Contact Colonial Acres Coin at 888 255-4565, they have some relationship with the Charlton catalogue
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Jim0815 here is the information you are looking for.hope this helps
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oh my jim you have no idea what you have
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i think the problem, is the average collector, can't see any difference between the 2 coins, so myself who collects canada coins, I can't offer an opinion, as the photos provided, mean nothing to me, as I can see only the tiniest of difference. and coins in worn condition, there is no premium to the variety.

looks like rocky is going to tell you different, with his coin program..
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jim forget the near and far. you have a long and short legend. no matter what I do she wont line up. I move this 1 degree at a time left or right. can move this image 1 pixel line at a time. they will not line up. I have matched it perectly. still it dont line up. you have a you have a new variety congrates here is the proof
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silverwolf that one thing about the program secs is all it takes. if I align elizabeth. the bottom E will be under the L of the top image. I populated his images to be eactly the same. it will not line up. this is a new variety. I just use the overlays to prove it.
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 Posted 09/14/2019  9:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Alan to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That's amazing!
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 Posted 09/14/2019  10:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rocky to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
also if you look close at my image. you will see you have a near and far. wow that amazing
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 Posted 09/14/2019  10:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add john100 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Since it's already in the catalogue and the lack of interest and value should be your answer on minor variations.
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I believe my eyes and a singular image microscope more than any computer program. The output of a computer program is only as accurate as the input. Only if your two coins both have no wear (UNC) were struck at the same time, on the same press, with the same pressure, with the same planchet hardness, with the dies aligned in their holders EXACTLY the same, and having both working dies with EXACTLY the same die wear ... can you even think about finding a new variety. A "variety" has been accurately described as a modification authorized by the mintmaster or the floor foremen to change, modify, or correct a working die. It usually results in modifications to the monarch, legends, fonts, digits or needed repunching to the working dies. Hub doubling, Die Deterioration Doubling, and the like are actually errors, not varieties ... although most collectors feel that any easily visible doubling should be considered as varieties.

Comparing two photos with overlays depends on using the same camera, with exactly the same lighting and angle, with the same magnification, with the same lighting shadows, and the same precise measuring points. It's a difficult evolution.

You very well may have 2 different working dies, maybe with the working dies struck with 2 slightly different hubs. Again, they are not varieties, they are errors and probably well within the tolerances allowed by the mint. Just think of the multitude of different die differences that you see on Haxby's treatise with the 1859's and the nearly 250 different die patterns/marriages.

Rocky, your work with the computer overlays and comparisons is stellar and worthy of note, but is open to differences in interpretation. Comparing the slight differences in coins spit out of the presses by the millions is like comparing the differences in screws, nails, matches or any other utilitarian product made by machines. There is also a huge difference in what is considered a "variety" with what is considered an "error" or a manufacturing tolerance. Keep up the good work, Rocky .. it's valuable to the educational numismatic value found on these coin sites.
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jim the dark coin is the one with the larger inscription. that is a near bead. the other coin is the lighter one that is the far. sorry jim no new variety. but they should add to the catalogue. the longer inscription as a marker to help identify these 2 varieties.
okiecoiner thank you and I understand. what you are saying. there is a company looking at purchasing all rights. to the program. I hope they produce it so we all can use it. well I see what they have to say. you all have a great one

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