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Valued Member
Ukraine
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Hello. Please help identify an unknown ancient (?) coin. On the front side,readable letters ONK (or ONH?), below it looks like L A The reverse side is erased. Size is about 16 mm. What can it be, at least approximately?  
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 United States
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Photos did not show. John1 
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Valued Member
 Ukraine
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Some problems, I don't know why.. I'll try again
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Valued Member
 Ukraine
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I don't understand. Photos are, but not displayed, even when resized. But, I can see them in my all uploaded photos folder!:)
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Valued Member
 Ukraine
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"If you climb a good tree, you get a push." -----Ghanaian proverb
"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed." -----King Adz
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Pillar of the Community
Russian Federation
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Quote: On the front side,readable letters ONK (or ONH?), below it looks like L A I think the picture is upside down, and the letters are VT and MNO. (Not sure if that's an O or D before the MNO.) ...Admittedly, I'm only thinking that because the letter that I identified as "M" doesn't make much sense otherwise. It is possible that you are correct. (Actually, now that I think of it, the T in VT does seem to have both upper sides, so your version fails on that as well.) If my version is correct, the next line might be IVA or LVA (or possibly IYA or LYA; again, with at least one other letter before that). If your version is correct, that line (the first line in this case) reads VAI or VAT (plus another letter). Assuming my version, the legend is VT/[O]MNO/[D]IVA, where both [O] and [D] could actually be the other, the I might actually be L, and the V might actually be Y. (There are probably more letters on the left of the two bottom lines as well.) A cursory search on Numista did not find a match, but I would not be surprised if one exists. If I had to guess: probably a local issue from somewhere in 17th or 18th century Europe (or possibly earlier). I've seen vaguely similar coins from Dutch and Italian states, but I wouldn't immediately rule out any other part of Europe. Incidentally, I like the seller's honest "kh/z" (a rather vulgar Russian abbreviation for "no idea").
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Valued Member
 Ukraine
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Spence, photos seems to fit the required parameters ... Anyway, this happens for the first time in 2 years, so I think it willn't happen again! I thank everyone who wasn't too lazy to follow the link and try to help!
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Valued Member
 Ukraine
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january1may, thank you very much for your version, I didn't think about it! Perhaps you're right. I'll search in old Europe. It certainly should be Europe, but the coin seems to me much more ancient than 17th or 18th century... Due to the shape and thickness. (Although it is likely that it is damaged)
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Valued Member
 Ukraine
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january1may, Here, for some reason, can't write in Russian. It's strange. As for the seller, he simply didn't want to figureout what it was, he also had old coins, not so difficult to identificate with the same description kh/z=)))
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Pillar of the Community
Russian Federation
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If this was supposed to be text in Russian, it failed. This forum, alas, does not (yet) allow Cyrillic letters in posts (it didn't even allow Greek letters until recently).
...For the record, I did figure out how to convert it, but it took me a while.
Removed unknown numbers
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Quote: Removed unknown numbers The unknown numbers were just HTML Unicode without the & in front of the #. As I said, I did manage to convert them to proper Russian, though it took some searching. Quote: but the coin seems to me much more ancient than 17th or 18th century... Due to the shape and thickness What's the weight? It might help with identification. That said, I don't think the shape is particularly unusual for 17th century lower denominations (or even 18th century in some places).
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Pillar of the Community
Russian Federation
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And for the benefit of any random people who might somehow manage to stumble upon this thread by sheer luck, here are the photos (I decided to turn them upside down, just in case)...  ...and while looking at them (and after some more Numista searching), I think I've figured out the true legend: VT/COMMO/DIVS, corresponding to a small denomination from 17th (or late 16th) century Sicily (something like this type, but possibly smaller).
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Valued Member
 Ukraine
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Yes, it is such coin! You were right about the inverted inscription and guess about Italian states. I don't know the weight, the coin hasn't arrived yet =) Then I'll weigh it and look live. But this is exactly such coin, face value 1 grano. Myself I would probably be searchin it for a very long time... Ogromnoe SPASIBO!
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Thx for uploading the pics @j1m--looks like you figured out this one. Well done.
"If you climb a good tree, you get a push." -----Ghanaian proverb
"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed." -----King Adz
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Forum Dad
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Quote: Spence, photos seems to fit the required parameters ... You have a bad habit of hitting enter after every 30 characters or so. Image code MUST be all on the same line, it cannot have any line breaks.
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