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(Im)possibile Coin Roman?

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 Posted 09/26/2019  1:04 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add manry to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I world like ask you if you can help me with this oxidated coin. Is possible understand what is this? Thx.




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 Posted 09/26/2019  1:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bacchus2 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
My first thought was it was a AE sestertius of Vespasian with the Emperor on horseback on the reverse but the condition is less than perfect.
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 Posted 09/26/2019  1:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add manry to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thx bacchus
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Size 3.3
Weight 12 grams
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I found this



Link dont work but was domitian
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 Posted 09/26/2019  5:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ben to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That forehead could only belong to Domitian. I think you have the reverse slightly rotated - it is likely this sestertius of a rearing horse:

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Couldn't find a picture of a nice example that I could link, but Wildwinds has some good examples of the type.
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 Posted 09/27/2019  01:56 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add manry to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thx Ben you would clean it some way?
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I would leave it as is - I don't think there is much detail to be revealed, but the surfaces under there might be rough. Is the darker green stuff loose?
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 Posted 09/27/2019  04:23 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The similar coin leads me to think 'Domitian' as well.
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the greener part on the face is harder, the clear green part melts easily. Do you recommend taking a little lemon bath? With other copper coins, lemon was better than EDTA
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Cleaning the green off may? not help facilitate the identification.

The coin is in poor enough condition to risk a cleaning.
In this condition; it shouldn't be stored next to other bronze or copper coins anyway. Bronze disease is contagious.

I say clean it. Nothing ventured, nothing gained.
Try VerdiCare first, but probably won't help.
Next, look on Google for treatment for verdigris. Pick a method which best suits the needs of the coin to help with identification.
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Unluckely is too late now, I tried to clean with water and lemon but face now is completely gone, this is my last time I cl an a coin not matter what condition is it
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Mistakes are made often when learning! The issue here was the use of lemon - citric acid never has a place when cleaning bronze. For silver, it is often useful, but for bronze, as you have found, it does more damage than good every time.

But, the good news is that there is further learning to be had - perhaps break out a bamboo skewer or a toothpick and try carefully working down the darker green around the rider.
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 Posted 09/27/2019  5:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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I tried to clean with water and lemon but face now is completely gone,


@manry, I'm sorry to hear about this. However, would you mind posting pics of the coin now? If nothing else, it would be a useful cautionary tale that we can point to when someone else is asking about lemon juice--a chance for someone to learn from your mistake!
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Even museum curator professionals have ancient coin cleaning failures occasionally.

What works on some coins can be wrong for other coins.
And there is no way of finding out for sure, beforehand.
A lot depends on the environment over centuries to which the coin has been exposed, which, in many cases, can only be guessed at.
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