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Last night I was looking through another handful of LM cents from bag #4, of 5, I got in July of 2018 (I know, slow as molasses). The first one across my loupe was this beautiful No Date LM cent, which I think is Struck through a late-stage die cap. I have never come across one before so I was pretty happy. And never finding one before I wasn't really confident about the actual term used for it so I went to error-ref.com to ID it. Struck through late-stage die cap seemed most likely but the strong LIBERTY perpendicular to its normal location is throwing me off. Since it is strong and raised in relief but almost 90 degrees rotated from its correct orientation I'm wondering what else is going on. There is also very strong finning of the rims on both sides which even shows up in some of the images. Any help and insight is greatly appreciated. Thanks for looking and all comments.      Words of encouragement are one of the major food groups.
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Looks more like a struck through, obverse rotating die cap? Note shoulder at 4:00 on Obverse?
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Thanks GC.
I was thinking double strike at first but the reverse shows no signs of a double strike. That's why I was leaning towards a rotated obv die. One strike, rotated, with LIBERTY "broken through" the die cap and the remainder of the die cap mushing up the rest of the obv.
Or ... Not very likely, but I wonder if another fully struck LM cent could have entered the coining chamber and been struck by the late stage die cap, leaving an incuse LIBERTY on the die cap. When another planchet entered the chamber and was struck, copper would flow into LIBERTY and the rest of the mushy details would be on the face of the coin. There does seem to be an additional distorted curve (rim?) between LIBERTY and the real rim.
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Edited by Petespockets55
10/31/2019 10:37 pm
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Thanks Coop. It seemed like the obverse die was rotated (+-90 degrees?), with that strong LIBERTY visible but out of normal placement.
That's kind of what I was thinking but without much experience with these, my mind is a Whirling Dirvish trying to consider the possibilities.
EDIT: I just noticed LIBERTY is quite a distance from the rim. Would that indicate a tilted die as well if it is a rotated die?
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Edited by Petespockets55
10/31/2019 10:39 pm
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I'm just gonna pm Mike for this one, I've never seen anything like it.
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This is a counterbrockage from either (1) a rotated and shifted obverse die cap, (2) an off-center cent with a brockage of the obverse design on its reverse face that was converted into a die cap on the next strike, or (3) a cent with an off-center brockage that was converted into a die cap. In any case, it's an unusual counterbrockage.
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10/31/2019 11:24 pm
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Wow! What an amazing coin. Great find! Defiantly not a usual piece.
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Very neat! Amazing find. Certainly unique.
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Thanks for posting this interesting counterbrockage and helping me learn something this morning!
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First, thanks to GC for the PM to Mike Diamond.
Mike, Thanks for taking a look and adding a lot of information to this coin. (Say the word if you would like to look at this one first hand.)
If I'm understanding #2 & #3 above, they would have required a second strike?
A question on possibility #2 above. Wouldn't an off-center strike be struck out of collar? (This one was in the collar, looking at the finning on the rims and well-centered reverse.)
Thank to Coop for the images, QH27, CH27 and Spence as well for commenting.
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Also the coin looks to be 70's-80's just by the FG. Again, just an absolutely amazing coin.
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A stunning find, first one I see.
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Awesome coin. Quite a find.
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