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Never had a great deal of interest in the 1859 cent varieties but after being on the forum and reading about them, I'm finding them quite intriguing. my question is, on these 2 1859 varieties have they been redesignated, never heard of a bold 9? It says it's a zoell x2b ? Is it called something else now? Is it a wide 9 over? Also in the other picture is what we now call 9 over inverted 9? Thank you  |
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The old Zoell "bold 9", in my and some other's opinion, were from dies that were getting worn or a slightly different #9 punch. All of the 9's were manually punched into partially finished "185" dies. It's also possible that the #9 punch was getting worn/flattened as it punched god knows how many dies.
Your second coin is a Zoell X2b .. we got it reclassified (renamed) as a DP#5, when the 2011 Charlton came out. Most everyone calls it a DP#5 now, but I prefer the designation R2b for old time's sake. There should be a nasty D/C starting at the R in Regina and then it gradually grows both ways, through Regina and over through Gratia.
The 9/6 (inverted 9) has the upper part of the loop showing towards the bottom instead of the top of the upper oval like the DP5. On most coins you can also see the underpunch filling the gap between the upper loop and the tail. The 9/6 also has a very definite vine break at #2, although there are a few other reverses that are similar. The underpunch that shows in the oval of the loop does not show as well as the DP#5 and is sometimes hard to see on coins that were struck later on in that die's life.
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11/05/2019 12:50 pm
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Welcome to the wonderful world of 1859's Alan. I agree with Bill. He covered it all very well in his comments. If you haven't already read Dr. Haxby's article in his online catalog, it's a great resource for those interested in the 1859's. Here is the link to that article. https://www.vickycents.com/prime.html |
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Thank you! I don't have many 1859 so am for fun just going through some that a friend has that have no variety identification on the flips. Old collection. This is the date that confused me, it looks like a wide 9 but with a oval hole in the 9. Didn't find the rare 9 over inverted 9, or anything only narrow 9's, but each had different features, stem breaks etc, had a lot of fun  |
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That one is a narrow 9. Did you try to identify the Haxby die pairs? You can match up markers like die cracks and re-punched letters on the search pages.
Some of the die pairs that don't have obvious re-punching on the date are still scarce and there is now a rarity rating in the catalog for all of the 248 die pairs.
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That's an amazing site with a wealth of info. Thank you. Now to try to figure this one out!
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show us the full coin both sides and we will help you id it
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Thank you Gidgit, hope these pictures are good enough took them with I phone thought the date area is what we would need but after reviewing the site, not so   Edited by Alan
11/05/2019 8:22 pm
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Looks like Rev J22 and Obv 64 - PC59-205 to me.
Gene
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Wow thank you, Now am going through the site to try and see how to arrive at the conclusion thank you again, a very helpful site truly amazing
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It could possibly be Obv 64a also, since both 64 and 64a were paired with Reverse J22. The photos aren't clear enough to tell for sure.
Check the T of GRATIA and the D of CANADA for re-punching. That should tell you for sure which obverse it is. I suspect from the reverse die cracks that it may be 64a since it was paired with J22 in the later states.
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