Its an interesting group. Consider also we now see (4) counterfeits and/or one coin with no verification possible. He spent probably $160+ or more w/ PCGS to wind up with (4) body bags. I did not know the initial coin in this thread was illegal to own but the SKILL necessary to use debased metals to get the weight correct is quite remarkable so looking at his other merchandise he probably looked it up and assumed the weight was as written in KM? Its unusual but I guess at this level (Christian Book Seller?) he took a gamble with PCGS. However somebody paid some big money on this first coin ... however I am sure the weight will be different than KM and agree Sharkman a scale was not used on this coin and then compared to KM - probably <BG>. These pieces look like good forgeries. I am tracking them but unfortunately my research on CCCs has never gone into Russian coins.
TPG will body bag all counterfeits but there are noted exceptions based on certain collections, series and other factors - such as U.S. Colonial Machins Mills pieces of Newburgh, NY or well documented copies from noted forgers or die makers like Bolen, Wyatt, etc... also if a big collection of Counterfeit 8 Reales as in Gurney's case a company like Stacks/Bowers could label the coins with GNL #'s and even place his name on the PCGS holder - exceptions are made when certain coins cross the block. Would not surprise me ... seriously. Look recently at the Stacks/Bowers Nov. 2019 Whitman Show (C4 Convention) and the Robert Martin Collection of U.S. Colonials and some well known copies in his collection going 4-figures. Martin was a noted Connecticut collector who passed away around a year ago.
See here:
https://auctions.stacksbowers.com/l...bout-as-madeSee also this counterfeit Spanish American piece confirmed by that shaddy notorious character named Lorenzo. See here:
https://auctions.stacksbowers.com/l...in-edge-fineLOL
John Lorenzo
Numismatist
United States
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11/28/2019 01:38 am
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