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1987 Lincoln Cent, Buttons? Or More Random "Lathe" Circles? 3 In Total

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Alright, so my first question is (and forgive me if it is silly as I am Canadian), are there suppose to be buttons on Lincolns coat?

if not I was looking through the rest of my US cents and while looking at this one I found these 3 random circles on Lincolns coat, at first I thought they where buttons but than I realized why would Lincoln have buttons in the most random place, its not even on the collar flap where they should be if thats what they are.


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If you cant tell there are a total of 3 circles 2 almost in a straight line going up and then one at the bottom more towards the VDB mark. The arrows in this picture show where they are, Although you cant see them too well they are there.


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and to finish off before I thought I was just seeing things so I did a search and although nothing came up I did find another CCF member that has the same year coin with 2 of these circles actually visible.

http://goccf.com/t/330458
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 Posted 12/01/2019  04:51 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
No,no buttons. Looks like well placed water stains.
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 Posted 12/01/2019  05:55 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yes I agree with @john1 that these look more like surface stains.
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 Posted 12/01/2019  08:38 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Or if they are raised, glue drops?
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They are most definitely raised, my question is if it were water or glue spots, how does another person have the same coin with the same spots in the exact same location. One would think they are too similar to be something that simple. I could totally be wrong, is there a way I can maybe dip the coin to clean up the surface to rule these things out? I dont believe in cleaning coins so I would rather ask first and know how to do it properly (if there is a proper way) before I go ruin a coin with my curiosity.
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So, I borrowed the photo from the member of the other post I shared (hope he doesn't mind) and I put 2 arrows to where the 2 circles are, on his.

You can see them if you zoom in at little bit and look at the end of each arrowhead you will see 2 rings in the exact same location as mine.


Link to other members post out of respect of borrowing his image.

http://goccf.com/t/330458


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Too big of a coincidence wouldn't you think?
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I have confirmed that these circles are NOT water spots or glue! I will probably get ridiculed for what I did to accomplish finding this out but I rinsed it with distilled water, than I let it soak in an acetone bath for 15 minutes, I than rinsed it off again with distilled water and used a blow dryer (on cool) to dry it off and this is the result...



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I only did the acetone bath as a last resort because if it were glue or some sort of residue it would of came off, I don't think these circles are going anywhere and I already feel like an acetone bath was already "too much" I don't know about you guys but even the thought of cleaning coins (regardless of if safe or not) gives me goose bumps.

these button/circle/thingys are raised off the coin and don't seem to have a purpose other than confuse me on why they are there.
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Water spots are not exactly round. I didn't see anything like your coin on PCGS.
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I am familiar with water spots and thats why I did the bath because I didn't think thats what they were so I had to be sure. It's weird because these are almost perfectly round and seem to all be identical, not only that they are raised off of the coin, just like snowflakes water spots are always different in shape and size. But these all look the exact same other than placement and visibility.
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 Posted 12/01/2019  3:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JohnWayne007 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Or hey, maybe abe just had a secret button collection he forgot to hide during picture day?


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Funny aside, I'm going to hold onto this and put it in a 2x2 and keep my eye out for more.
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