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So I picked up $100 box of nickels from my bank today and while I was looking through a roll I found this 2005 victory nickel, now I normally just ignore them because ive seen more than enough of them and they don't really catch my attention, but this one did. The entire reverse is a Matte/Frosted type finish and through all of the victory nickels I have found I've never seen one like this before as they are usually a mirror finish, I searched the group and nobody else has posted about one either. I tried wiping it with a lint free cloth, nothing, rinsed with distilled water, nothing. I do have acetone but if this is it's original finish from the mint I don't want to be putting any chemicals on it that could possibly ruin it, has anyone seen one of these?  Finding and discovering modern Canadian doubled die varieties since 2018. 2023 Recent Publications: Modern Canadian Doubled Die Varieties - First Edition PDF & Paperback https://www.mcddv.ca (website currently down for maintenance as of 08/01/2024) |
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Here is a side by side of a normal 2005 victory nickel on the left, and the matte/frosted 2005 victory nickel I found on the right just in case nobody can see what I am seeing from the first pic I posted. The obverse side is normal mirrored finish but I can include pics of the obverse if requested.  Finding and discovering modern Canadian doubled die varieties since 2018. 2023 Recent Publications: Modern Canadian Doubled Die Varieties - First Edition PDF & Paperback https://www.mcddv.ca (website currently down for maintenance as of 08/01/2024) |
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I took some more side by side photos, mirror finish on the left, matte finish on the right. I took one with normal light and than I took one with the light shinning on the coins so you can see the difference. Really not sure if its normal or not because I've never seen one like this, and I have seen a lot of victory nickels, I also just spent the last 2 hours looking online and came up with nothing. Normal Light  Light Shinning On Coins  Finding and discovering modern Canadian doubled die varieties since 2018. 2023 Recent Publications: Modern Canadian Doubled Die Varieties - First Edition PDF & Paperback https://www.mcddv.ca (website currently down for maintenance as of 08/01/2024) |
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What does the obverse look like?
"Dipping" is not considered cleaning...
-from PCGS website
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Edit: I weighed them both and they weigh the same (3.95 grams) they are also both magnetic with a P under the queen. The obverse looks like any other Victory nickel, in this photo the left one is the mirror finished one (normal) and the right is the matte finish one.  I put a piece of glass over a mirror I had and it was suspended enough away from the mirror that I could put both coins side by side and take a mirror shot.  This is the mirror setup I used.  Finding and discovering modern Canadian doubled die varieties since 2018. 2023 Recent Publications: Modern Canadian Doubled Die Varieties - First Edition PDF & Paperback https://www.mcddv.ca (website currently down for maintenance as of 08/01/2024) Edited by JohnWayne007
12/21/2019 03:07 am
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I bet a Q-tip soaked in acetone would solve this one... looks like natural patina formed on nickel (these coins are nickel-plated).
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SPP-Ottawa, your first thought was mine also, but this has proven to be false as I not only rubbed it with a q-tip I also let is soak for 3 hours with no effect on the finish at all. I am about 99.9% certain this really is the finish it had when leaving the mint, if there are any other tests I can do I am all ears. The acetone did make the coin cleaner though! so I guess thats a plus.    Finding and discovering modern Canadian doubled die varieties since 2018. 2023 Recent Publications: Modern Canadian Doubled Die Varieties - First Edition PDF & Paperback https://www.mcddv.ca (website currently down for maintenance as of 08/01/2024) |
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If there is a way I can post a video on here I can take a small clip of me putting it in acetone and rubbing it with a Q-Tip, but given it has been in acetone for about 3 hours plus maybe 5-10 mins on top of that already rubbing it with a Q-Tip I doubt it will do anything.
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I managed to get a video uploaded to Youtube in good quality so you can see the finish and how it sparkles in the light and does not come off with acetone. and yes, I used a plastic cotton swab but it was the only ones I had on hand so I dipped some in acetone beforehand to make sure they wouldn't melt right away, in the video you can see the acetone quickly evaporating while I'm rubbing the swab against the surface. Youtube video---- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyRDjcRa5nw  Finding and discovering modern Canadian doubled die varieties since 2018. 2023 Recent Publications: Modern Canadian Doubled Die Varieties - First Edition PDF & Paperback https://www.mcddv.ca (website currently down for maintenance as of 08/01/2024) Edited by JohnWayne007
12/21/2019 10:54 pm
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I took some more side by sides with another coin after I used the acetone, if anyone has any ideas on what this might be after checking my youtube video I would love to hear some opinions because it has me stumped.   Finding and discovering modern Canadian doubled die varieties since 2018. 2023 Recent Publications: Modern Canadian Doubled Die Varieties - First Edition PDF & Paperback https://www.mcddv.ca (website currently down for maintenance as of 08/01/2024) |
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No idea as I am a US guy. What I CAN say is, please don't wipe coins with a q-tip or lint free cloth in that manner. Tap it, don't rub. You'll leave cleaning hairlines.
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Acetone apparently will not remedy this type of environmental damage.
"Dipping" is not considered cleaning...
-from PCGS website
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It was my second time ever using acetone on a coin and I would never do it to one that I knew was worth something, I only rubbed the coin like that to show it wont come off but thank you for the opinions as I do appreciate them, I just don't understand how environmental damage can make a surface look so clean and shiny but only effect one side and not the other... it looks and feels just like a frosted surface, and I have a few coins with frosted surfaces that I compared it to. I want to agree with environmental damage but I just don't understand how environmental damage can make a coin nicer and not actually damaged.. Anyway again thank you for the opinions and I hope others will chime in as well.
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I took a close up with my microscope of a 1966 5 Cent Nickel in proof like condition with a heavily frosted obverse, this pic is the shoulder of the queen.  Then I took a close up with my microscope of the 2005 Victory nickel  If I zoom in even more the patterns of the frosting from the 1966 and the reverse of the 2005 look identical and you cannot tell the difference between the two... This is the frosting on a 1966 5 Cent Nickel in proof like condition  This is the "frosting" on this 2005 victory nickel  The 1966 proof nickel's frosting is more shiny but that is because it is a proof, 2005 has been circulated but still shiny other than that there are no difference in the finishes, they even feel the same in hand and I just don't see how environmental damage can make a coin have a finish just as good as the mints. But if this still looks like environmental damage then I will take it for what it is and move on. Thanks again for any replies and opinions. Finding and discovering modern Canadian doubled die varieties since 2018. 2023 Recent Publications: Modern Canadian Doubled Die Varieties - First Edition PDF & Paperback https://www.mcddv.ca (website currently down for maintenance as of 08/01/2024) Edited by JohnWayne007
12/22/2019 03:50 am
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Higher grade liquid plant fertilizers containing nitric acid or similar types of acids will probably create this finish, but be careful pure nitric acid is very dangerous, must treat with upmost respect, the fumes and the acid is deadly ! This coin could have simply been found on a lawn that had weekly liquid fertilizers treatments
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Thank you john100, that seems to be more logical/ in depth answer and I have no plans on messing around with any type of acids, I like my health far too much. I will most likely keep it as a conversation piece as its lustre is extremely eye appealing in the light.
I just thought if it were pmd/damage it would of affected both sides and not just one especially being on a lawn but I think I can live with that answer
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