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Pillar of the Community
Netherlands
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Die error, a lamination error or a Cud? These small type of coins often have small(er) die and edge errors.. but this one looks extreme! Any ideas?   Edited by Kingz
12/21/2019 6:57 pm
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 United States
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Not a Cud, but perhaps a planchet error. I do note that on *really* old silver, crystallization can set in and make the plan brittle. I'd keep this in a 2x2 to avoid propagating that crack through to the obverse. "If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
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 Netherlands
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Thanks for your thoughts, I was also maybe thinking a planchet error. I bought it for really cheap as stated on the pictures above, so it still has to arrive home before I can post some better pictures. And I will take your tip as well :)
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I have to admit, my first thought on seeing it is "it looks like a blob of glue". Especially as it seems to be a slightly different colour underneath the "glue", and where it looks like a piece of the "glue" is peeling off of the rim, at about 11 o'clock. When you get it in hand, check that it isn't just a layer of clear glue sitting on top of the metal there.
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I'm not very strong on errors, but what I think I see is a cracked or defective planchet, and then the crack causing different flow of the metal on opposite sides of the crack. You can see there is less detail in the leaves left of the crack than elsewhere on the coin. So, assuming the crack is present earlier than the flow of the metal, the metal that doesn't go into the leaves must go somewhere, and maybe causes the cud/blob at 11:00 and generally crummy appearance of the rim over there  . Unless it turns out to be a blob of something else as suggested by an earlier poster. Edited by tdziemia
12/23/2019 08:35 am
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Pillar of the Community
Netherlands
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Edited by Kingz
12/28/2019 10:31 pm
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Netherlands
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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In my opinion it is a defective planchet, which then caused at least the weak strike on the minor part of the planchet. I don't know if the deformities at the rim are also due to this (I suspect yes, or it is PMD). I do not think there is any evidence of a die break, which gives an upward flow of metal on the coin's surface. Nor of a lamination error. Edited by tdziemia
01/08/2020 11:12 pm
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Canada
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your missing metal after the strike, de-lam all the way IMHO.
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United States
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Looking at the last photo which is nearly edge on, I see what you mean. It looks like the area on the other side of the crack is lower. I have never seen delamination come away so evenly, leaving more or less even relief like like that on the design, but could be. |
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Netherlands
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The "soft side" of the crack is indeed lower and also fairly smooth.. anyways I will put it in my small error collection thanks for all the input
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Pillar of the Community
Netherlands
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Here you can clearly see how part of the planchet is raised, even the edge looks lower in the error part.  |
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United States
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I've come around to agree with @wade.
Lamination. I've seen more pictures of them with really rough surfaces at the delamination (like your Greek coin), but this looks like a very thin layer peeled away.
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