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Anyone Else Collect The Old (1794-1800) Copper/Coins?

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 Posted 10/10/2008  1:03 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add sundance to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hiya

I am new here but have been surfing the forums for a few months now and no one ever mentions the coppers of the late 1700s! I am an avid fan of the Libert Caps myself, though they are almost impossible to find and everyone wants an arm and two legs for a decent one. I wish I could post pics of the two that I current have, but the camera is packed away in a box somewhere...

Currently my 'hoard' includes:

1795 Liberty Cap...she is the pride of my collection...a little worn and was sitting in the dirt for a while but her features are spectacular

1798 Draped Bust...she is a lovely coin with an awesome die crack on the reverse. I think I paid 150.00?

1808 Draped Bust Half Cent...one of my first purchases when I was a teenager...sentimental value more than anything else as there is a hole in her.

I also collect some silvers, nothing too expensive...I enjoy the toned Morgans and Peace dollars but with so many fakes running around it makes it less fun to collect them

I am not really into current coins, I try to pick up anything with dates of 1850 and prior...have a fascination with history and to hold something that is well over 200 years old just is amazing...I mean think of all the people and things these coins have seen!

Anyway...just saying Hi and hoping to find other copper collectors

Sunny
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 Posted 10/10/2008  1:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add KurtS to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nice list of early coins!
My one coin from that era is an 1802 Draped Bust Cent--an EDS s-235
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 Posted 10/10/2008  1:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Metalman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi sundance welcome to the forum !

I like the old coppers but I only have one and its dateless its an early one but its well worn .

hope you do us the favor of finding your camera and posting some pics for us to see !

I look forward to seeing them !
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 Posted 10/10/2008  1:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wwhitman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
to CCF.
I think you will find a lot of collectors here that like the early US coppers. But like you said, hard to find.
I just picked a 1801 Cent here - on the on-line auction. It looks like a 100/000 variant. I have to send it away for slabbing soon.
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 Posted 10/10/2008  1:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sundance to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here are the pictures I first got when I purchased my 1795 Libert Cap (she is way more lovely in person ):

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That's all I got right now

Sunny
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 Posted 10/10/2008  4:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jaobler to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Sunny,
I'm also an early copper fan and have been looking for a nice Liberty Cap for some time. Any decent example is extremely expensive now. Maybe with the current economic crunch prices will fall and I'll finally be able to score a good one. I can hope!

I did fortunately pick up this nice Draped Bust cent in a Heritage auction back in 2000. It's a "small date, small fraction" type, designated as Sheldon number 255. I sent it to PCGS for grading and they slabbed it as AU-50.

One great thing about Heritage is I can search their on-line archives and find the original catalog photos for the exact coins I purchased years ago. I just now copied these photos from their website.

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These are my pride and joy. I am currently working on a Dansco 7099. I have the 1794, all the Draped Busts (except 1799!) and 6 others can't recall dates right off hand. That's a very nice 1795 -corrosion. Looks to have been a nice VF+ coin prior to corrosion. So many of these Large Cents are plagued with corrosion (ground finds, enviro, etc). I just picked up an 1853 dark but no corrosion XF+ for $10. These are the coins I like to acquire. Keep up with the acquisitions!
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 Posted 10/10/2008  5:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add KurtS to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
I just picked up an 1853 dark but no corrosion XF+ for $10
That sounds nice! I like those original copper surfaces.
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 Posted 10/10/2008  7:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add clembo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm fond of old copper. Have 1797, a few 98 and a few 99 in large cents.
AG-G coins but decent planchets.
Also have a 1797 Half Cent A couple 1804, 96 and 07.

About 6-8 Half Cents total and a dozen or so large cents.

Go into later copper and I've got about 60-70 Two Cent Pieces.


Yeah,

I like old copper.
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 Posted 10/11/2008  03:44 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Long time fan of the early copper here. (EAC member since 1982) I have 257 of the 295 Sheldon varieties
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 Posted 10/12/2008  09:35 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CopperClassics to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Greetings, Sundance...!
Like yourself and those that responded, I am fascinated by early copper. I collect US Half and Large Cents, as well as Conder Tokens and other foreign copper. I suppose that for many copper enthusiasts, there comes a point where it is difficult to progress with the Half Cent and Large Cent collections due to the cost. This happened to me a number of years ago and is how I was introduced to Conder Tokens, Civil War Tokens and other magnificent copper coins. If it is copper, I like it - even "Bonks"!
Congratulations on your Liberty Cap acquisitions....

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Quote: I suppose that for many copper enthusiasts, there comes a point where it is difficult to progress with the Half Cent and Large Cent collections due to the cost.
Exactly. That is why I have decided to keep my early Large Cents 1793-1807, in the lower grade range for my 7099. As long as they are problem free and have decent detail.

Quote: Have 1797, a few 98 and a few 99 in large cents.
A few 1799's. I'll take one.
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 Posted 10/12/2008  12:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CopperClassics to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The early cents (including the Classic Heads (1808 - 1813)seem to be prohibitive now in grades above extra fine. The Dansco 7099 has a lot of holes, as you know, so saving a few dollars on the earlies really helps later on. It would be nice to have an XF in every hole, but there are several that are virtually impossible, regardless of the pocketbook. Those "99's" we have been playing with here are a good example, since extra fine examples are virtually non-existent. The 1834 Lg date, stars & sm. letters (N-5) is a good example of a super tough middle date in XF. This is why I would like to find an early Dansco large Cent album - the predecessor of the 7099, the old one that has a single space for each date. I haven't seen one since the 1980's! This is a fun album to fill and it doesn't cost a life's fortune to do so - even now...

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You are right on. I would love to have an XF in every hole but obtaining such a set would take a lot of capital with the exception of the later dates. To complete a set which would be cost productive and still have the eye appeal you are looking for I believe is an accomplishment in itself. Besides, if your like me and your patient, you won't buy the first coin you see just because you want to complete the album. I'd rather take my time and obtain some nice problem free coins with nice eye appeal.
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 Posted 10/12/2008  2:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CopperClassics to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Absolutely - patience will pay every time. There are actually quite a few coins that meet the sharpness grade of very fine or extra fine, but relatively few that are problem free with nice eye appeal. These coins are hard to find these days, but they do come along. There are many collectors (and dealers) that don't understand that a corroded XF is not worth XF money! Smooth coins with original color; damage free with few marks will be well rewarded when it comes time to trade up or sell...! As for the late dates, I would save up for Unc's - they're still relatively affordable, but who knows for how much longer.....?
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 Posted 10/14/2008  10:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add thq to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I've got a crusty 1795 cent that I carry in my pocket along with other foreign copper from the same period. If you like the liberty caps, take a look at the early French decimes. The design for the American coin was inspired by a medal that Dupre made to commemorate the American revolution. His rendition of Liberty for the French decime is amazing, though you have to see it in a high grade to really appreciate it. The French coins are dirt cheap compared to early American copper - they were made by the tens of millions - though the higher grades and overdates can get pricy.
"Two minutes ago I would have sold my chances for a tired dime." Fred Astaire
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