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 Posted 01/03/2020  11:13 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Coinindrum to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Upon cracking open uncirculated rolls of 1969s I found several in fantastic condition but throughout the rolls there were coins that looked like this
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Can these have been compromised is storage over the years
Can this spread like wildfire to other coins
It worries mes because the collection is with years and years of un opened uncirculated coins that go back to the 30s 40s 50s up to early 80s that have never seen light of day
Thanks for help
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 Posted 01/03/2020  11:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add merclover to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
OMG! That almost looks like mould! You must have been very disappointed! I wonder if it can be easily removed?
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 Posted 01/03/2020  11:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add T-BOP to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
To be honest ,I have never seen anything like that on an uncirculated roll of 90% copper Cents . How was it wrapped ,paper or just placed in plastic tube ? Where was it stored and for how long ? If it is mold then I think your goose is cooked . Take the nastiest coin and soak it in acetone for awhile and see what happens .
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 Posted 01/03/2020  11:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Giwalsh to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Carbon spots right?i got a box of 1961d cents in original rolls and a bunch were like that.i was told on here that the paper absorbs moisture and they were probably stored in someone's basement,
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 Posted 01/04/2020  12:03 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinindrum to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks these were unopened bank rolls stored for 50 years not exposed to any moister , stored in the previous owners home in his coin room
I put a bunch in a sealed plastic container with about 56 other unopened rolls and they have been stored in home closet.
I am almost afraid to crack open other rolls much older....
Thanks for input and help
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 Posted 01/04/2020  12:11 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add merclover to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
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 Posted 01/04/2020  05:00 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Not mold,carbon spotting.
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The black 'carbon' spots are actually sulfides and oxides of copper. Impossible to remove now.
Oxides and sulfides of copper are black.

For spotting to occur in a yet to be issued roll of coins, there must have been a contaminant on the coins or the wrapper, or both.
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that carbon spots are black . I'm still up in the air with those Blue spots . Like I said never seen anything like it; and I've been a BU/OBW Lincoln roll collector since the early 60's .
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 Posted 01/04/2020  12:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinindrum to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for opinions there were several with smaller spots and in two rolls of the same year/mintage
And a very slight toning on five of my 1958s I wrapped them in tissue and stored them in a plastic coin container
I can't chance them further defacing the beauty
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Spotting in this color spectrum can come from a combination of insecticide and common household cleaners in the ambient environment.

Cupric Acetate is in many insecticides. Ammonium Chloride can be a by-product of using Ammonia-based cleaners on surfaces that also have been cleaned by Chlorine-based cleaners, such as bleach, or of bleach-washing dirty diapers. Tiny amounts in the ambient environment could be sufficient to make these spots over time.

Even if the coins were stored in a proper environment by the collector, where were they stored before the collector acquired them? My bet: in a basement, near the washing machine, where a pest control company regularly sprayed for bugs.

The damage is permanent.
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Thank you @fortcollins for the tips and insite as to the culprits
I am going to check other re-packed rolls to see if they too are infected as well or just unopened and uncirculated
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This is verdigris from improper storage, not carbon spots. The black is cupric oxide - the terminal state of copper corrosion. You can see the green center spot (verdigris) in most of them. This corrosion is very advanced and has ruined any coins you see it on.

Since verdigris can spread across coins and completely ruin obw rolls, the rolls MUST be cracked, the corroded coins removed and quarantined and the good coins put into tubes.

I've opened hundreds of OBW rolls and found many with coins like this inside. It's major problem and the dice you roll buying OBW rolls as you never know how well they've been stored. There are a lot of thread on CC discussing the issue.

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 Posted 01/04/2020  11:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinindrum to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks @BadThad there was one 69s roll that had several specs and the 58s roll had only five that you'll see seperated in the photo that had micro toning change over fifty percent of the coins were absolutely stunning .
They are stored in a plastic tube SEPERATLY ....
Thanks again for help
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Great job!

Here's a clear example of what I call "contact corrosion", e.g. corrosion that is introduced from coin to coin via contact.

I found this in a tight, OBW roll. You can see where the corroded, brown coin caused the AU red coin to corrode inside the roll. I had to pry these apart with a surprising amount of force.



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Thanks again @BadThad glad I got those before they caused further damage and glad they did not spread to the whole roll
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