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Found This In Penny Roll. Please Help Id.

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That doesn't look like arabic... Looks Greek to me.

If it was found in a penny roll it's probably a replica of an ancient Greek Drachm.
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I don't know what it is....but am waiting to see what the experts say..........
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After researching it looks like a Greek drachma and Seleucid. How do I know if it is authentic?
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to the CCF!


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How do I know if it is authentic?


I can't help ya with this but I did request this gets moved to the Ancient coin section. Hopefully someone there can help ya.

I do know that they will probably want a photo of the edge of the coin as well.
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@smc, first welcome to CCF. Second, can you please post the weight and diameter of this piece? Thx.
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Thanks for the welcome. Exciting first week of coin searching. First $25 dollar box of pennies my son and I bought. Saw a YouTube video. 9 wheats (One '41) and a ton of other interesting and educational finds. Came across this after a few rolls. Looks authentic(novice).Penny size but irregular. Don't know weight.
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I believe your coin is Ariarathes VI Epiphanes Philopator 130-116 BC from the Cappadocian kingdom
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certainly not my area of expertise, but it appears very well struck and very well centered, which wouldn't be typical of the time period if it was an original.

I really do hope it's a legitimate (and genuine) find, but even if not it's a pretty cool discovery - the thrill of the hunt, 'n all that!
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That's it! Thank you. Real or not, fun times with the family'. I'd say my son will go broke buying pennies, but don't think that's possible.
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Instead of asking "any wheaties in that roll?" We now have to ask "any Ariiarathes VI Epiphanes Philopator 130-116 BC Cappadoians in that roll?"
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appears very well struck and very well centered, which wouldn't be typical of the time period if it was an original.


Actually, it's very typical for 2nd century BC Cappadocian drachms. What we see above is the norm for the type.

Fyi the ΓΛ in exergue on the reverse equates to 33, meaning the 33rd regnal year. If the coin is an issue of Ariarathes IV, who ruled from 220-163 BC, the ΓΛ indicates the coin was struck in 188/187 BC. If it is an issue of his successor Ariarathes V*, who ruled from 163-130 BC, then the ΓΛ equates to 131/130 BC, the last year of his rule.

*There seems to be some disagreement about the attribution of this variety. I see, in a quick online search, identical reverses, with identical monograms, and similar looking obverse portraits, attributed to each ruler. It would seem some scholars (e.g. Simonetta) favor Ariarathes IV for this issue, but other scholars attribute it to V.

Either way it's quite a find.
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The coin is actually Ariarathes V and not VI as I suggested earlier, upon checking Sears it is SB-7286.
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I agree with echizento - Ariarathes IV and it looks genuine to me. Easily worth more than the whole box - quite a find indeed!

I assume it was a customer wrapped roll? I read on another forum where some people put ancient coins in modern coin rolls around the holidays - consider it a late Christmas present from a fellow collector!
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