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Lincoln Memorial Cent Trial Strike Question

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 Posted 10/24/2008  09:05 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Jim1953 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Would a weakly struck trial strike tend to show light or no detail in the high point of the relief on both the obverse and reverse? Is it possible to have a strongly struck reverse and a weak obverse, per se?

Thx for your thoughts,
Jim

New Canon G-9 on the scope, hope they are acceptable.

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Probably a strike through or even post mint damage, but interesting anyway.
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11/02/2008 11:26 am
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 Posted 10/24/2008  12:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TreasHunt to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Jim:
1) yes, would show light to no detail, it would depend, each set up strike is different.
2) nope, not possible. Think about it, it would be like one hand clapping, there has to be force that is equal from both sides.

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 Posted 10/24/2008  3:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add foundinrolls to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If you have a coin that fits what you are describing, a picture would say a thousand words.

It could be struck through something. It could be as simple as Struck Through Grease or it might have been struck through something like a capped die.

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Bill
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 Posted 10/24/2008  4:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coppercoins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Very important point - obverse and reverse are struck with the same pressure at the same time. No such thing as a weakly struck obverse without a weakly struck reverse.

Most of the time when someone mentions a coin that had a weakly struck obverse but the reverse was hammered...doesn't know what they are saying. The real case in that event is likely a coin struck with a very worn obverse die and a fresh reverse die.
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 Posted 10/25/2008  11:06 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jim1953 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I will try and get a pic up soon. My camera, actually wife's, was stolen. She replaced it with a real low grade piece. I will see if I can get something from it and post.

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 Posted 10/25/2008  2:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TreasHunt to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Jim:
Good luck with the pictures.
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 Posted 11/02/2008  12:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Trial strike example.
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 Posted 11/02/2008  12:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jim1953 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
What are your thoughts on this one, coop?
Jim
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 Posted 11/02/2008  2:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It looks like a late stage die cap. from what I can see. Maybe Mike Diamond will confirm this. He is the expert.
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I agree, the coin picture that was added to the top of the thread was struck through a very late stage die cap.

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Bill
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 Posted 11/03/2008  08:36 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jim1953 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks guys. This one was giving me fits.
Jim
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 Posted 11/03/2008  09:22 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coppercoins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree with Bill and Coop 100%. A trial strike would be very weak on BOTH sides like Coop's coin.
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 Posted 11/04/2008  09:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mikediamond to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Jim1953 appears to have a heavy grease strike, not a capped die strike. I say this because the outline of Lincoln's bust is relatively sharp, while a capped die strike would show a blurred outline. Same thing goes for the letters of LIBERTY. The design rim is well-defined and normal-looking instead of showing the conventional "wire rim" of a capped die strike.

Coop's coin shows a heavy grease strike on both faces. It's clear it's not a low-pressure strike because the design rim is very well-struck. A low-pressure strike cent will show the original proto-rim of the unstruck planchet and a beveled rim/edge junction.
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11/04/2008 09:59 am
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 Posted 11/06/2008  09:33 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jim1953 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you, Mike. I have sure learned something with this one.
Jim
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