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Is Anyone Familiar With This 1964 Kennedy Half Dollar Error?

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2 images should show up....1 of my error and the other 1 is the 1964 Kennedy that recently sold for $108,000 to use as a reference. I do think I figured out that it was a microscopic staple that caused to error. So they use staples about 1 cm in size during the minting process or something? How could the SMS bare the same white mark as mine?

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The SMS dies were fresh, so they would not have die wear on them at all. There is a marker on this SMS on the '4' on the date:
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But you coin appears to be a normal coin. Not a SMS.

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I am not sure I am replying the correct way but the pictures I posted that are not the error on the O are of the actual SMS that sold for 108,000 dollars. Let me exp!ain this a different way. Please click on the other 2 photos and view them. I am trying to show that SMS coin bares a white mark under the O that is consistent with the slag on my error. Which, brace yourself....happens to be the same shape as the slag that hangs under the 4! I do not think my coin is valuable. I do not think my coin is SMS. Can someone please stop trying to tell me what I have is crap and just lend me a moment of your time to give thought to what I am saying...please. I'm sorry.
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I apologize. A man was very rude to me about this earlier this morning and I just took it out on you.After looking at what you posted you aren't far from my point. My photos just fail to show the point in trying to show. If you search the image of the 108,000 dollar SMS and look under the O in GOD and compare it to the error in my pic...please....
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Here is an obverse shot of the 1964 SMS half dollar:
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I apologize. A man was very rude to me about this earlier this morning and I just took it out on you.After looking at what you posted you aren't far from my point. My photos just fail to show the point in trying to show. If you search the image of the 108,000 dollar SMS and look under the O in GOD and compare it to the error in my pic...please....
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I apologize. A man was very rude to me about this earlier this morning and I just took it out on you.After looking at what you posted you aren't far from my point. My photos just fail to show the point in trying to show. If you search the image of the 108,000 dollar SMS and look under the O in GOD and compare it to the error in my pic...please....

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Finally...even if one person understands what I am seeing I'm happy.
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But on the '4' note the direction of the affected area on the SE direction. On your coin it is angled SE. On the original die examples, the angle is parallel to vertical:
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Keep in mind the 1964 SMS dies were VEDS (Very Early Die State) They are first strikes with these dies. The reverse is showing hub weakness of the reverse design. But the obverse dies are first strikes of a newer hub strength. On your coin, the angle for the afftected area and the die was showing wear that made that mark go in a die wear pattern direction. So they are not a match. Chances of finding these in circulation of the original less than 100 production would be a real hail Mary. Because these were not sold, but given to special mint employees. (People who not break them open to to spend them) But the dies that were used, could have been reused dies. I've seen one on the cents with the reverse lathe lines on the steps. (on the left side of the steps) But the strike is different. SMS were the 'so called proofs' of the 1965-67 coins. There were no mint marks those years to discourage collectors from saving them. (the big silver pull starting in 1965 removed a lot of coins from circulation. The the step up of coin production to replace the removal of the silver coins)
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Are we on the same page that the pictures I'm showing are of this coin?

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All pics I posted except the very first picture of this thread are of that coin.
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I'm trying to show the mark under the O in GOD. The fact that it resembled the mark under the 4 was just observation. Not what I'm trying to show you.
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It looks to me like the mark under the 'o' on your coin is PMD. To my eye it looks like a bag mark from the reeding on the edge of another coin.
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Is this your coin?
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If it is, It is just damage. PSD Post Strike damage. Nothing
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If you search the image of the 108,000 dollar SMS and look under the O in GOD and compare it to the error in my pic...please....

Sorry but there is no resemblance what so ever. We can't agree with you just to make you happy

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I do not think my coin is SMS. Can someone please stop trying to tell me what I have is crap and just lend me a moment of your time to give thought to what I am
saying...please. I'm sorry.

Your coin is not crap.It's just a damaged coin that does not match the SMS 1964 Kennedy half
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