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DDR-?

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 Posted 10/31/2008  06:07 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TreasHunt to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The flat shelf like appearance is a sign of strike/mechanical/machine doubling.
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 Posted 10/31/2008  09:15 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jim1953 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I believe treasurHunt is correct. Something else I have learned here, if you look at the left leg of the "A" in American, the doubled image is the correct size and demension of what the correct devise should look like. On a doubled die, the image is struck twice so you should have a full devise and then a partial doubling in addition.

I think this is right but wait for the guns to confirm.

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 Posted 10/31/2008  09:54 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add homiegrubbs to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
What is the year and mint on the coin? The memorial looks like MD but I'm so sure about the "C". I don't know if you can have MD on both sides of the letter or if that is just lamination failure from the strike of the die. Since I don't see anything on ERI, I would think MD.

Need Bill and Chucks evaluation.

Have a good weekend,
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 Posted 10/31/2008  12:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add 909records to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
DDR-?

it does not appear to be flat from what I can tell

i will try to get pics up of the hole coin
thank you
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 Posted 10/31/2008  12:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add KurtS to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

To my inexpert eyes, I see MD as well. The last A in AMERICA clinches it for me--see how the "doubling" is actually cutting into the original A? There's only one letter impression there, not two.
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The term would more correctly be 'flattened' - not 'flat'. And yes, this is flattened, which is the most important classic sign of Machine Doubling.

Jim had everything right up to the point of saying that on a doubled die the letters are struck twice...not true. The letters are hubbed into the die out of alignment with another hubbing. This causes the doubling, it has nothing at all to do with the strike.

And therein lies the biggest difference between doubled dies and Machine Doubling. If your coin is doubled in such a way that it makes sense that it happened during the strike, it is not a doubled die. If the doubling you see could not have happened as a result of the strike, then it's probably a doubled die.
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 Posted 10/31/2008  3:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TreasHunt to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Bill:
The C looks flattened in the 'doubled' area.
As such it is a sure sign of Strike Doubling.
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 Posted 10/31/2008  4:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add homiegrubbs to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks TreasHunt...kinda hard for me to tell with these bad eyes, looking through a loop too long :)
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