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Overhyped Nickel "Error" Sees Value Take Tumble

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 Posted 10/31/2008  4:04 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add biokemist6 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
There seems to be a plethora of so-called "errors" lately with little cutesy names. Novices/uneducated collectors pay big money for them and then they find out that they have been had by something that is a very minor error or in the worst cases, just a normal occurance during the minting process. Ken Potter has an article in the latest edition of Numismatic News addressing this very subject so enjoy the read- http://www.numismaster.com/ta/numis...ticleId=5525
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 Posted 10/31/2008  4:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TreasHunt to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Good article, thanks for posting.
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Great reading, thank-you for the post. I also read about a person finding 5,917 or so coins buried in the ground, found with a metal detector,a very sweet find!!ps: biokemist, do you know how long indian head nickels should sit in vinegar to get results, and can they sit to long to do damage?
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About 1/2 a second to damage the surface permanently. Not a good fate for coins to go through as they have to live with that for the rest of their lives. What we do now or in the past affects the collectabilty/value of the coin in years to come. What we do today to a coin that may be thought of as safe may in the future be found to cause damage to the coin. So best advice don't clean a coin, unless you know who it will affect the future of your coin.
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I have said for years that all these cute die cracks and minor, common stuff people hype up are just that - hype. Only two have kept value for much time, and both of those were recognized and listed by the major guides before their true nature was understood - by that time it was too late to convince people they had no real value....the 1937D three legged buffalo and the 1922 'no D' cents. Those two minor errors will remain with us into numismatic eternity as misunderstood and grossly overvalued.
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 Posted 11/03/2008  10:54 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TreasHunt to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
coppercoins:
Hey, don't make fun of my coins!
J/K
I have both the 3 legged Buff and the 1922 Die #2.

And consider them valid varieties, however, others (like you) may disagree.
That is what makes the hobby interesting, opinions differ.
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Treashunt - by technicality neither the 1937D three-legged buffalo NOR the 1922 'no D' cent are 'varieties'. They are minor die errors that gained a pile of value because of misunderstanding and tradition.

The 1922 'no D' cents are filled dies. People post them here all the time on Statehood Quarters, nickels, cents, etc. It is a VERY common occurrence at the mint. The ONLY thing that makes these famous is the fact that there were no cents minted in Philadelphia in 1922. Back in the 1920s and 1930s when collectors first started finding and reporting these things it was believed that Philly made a short run of coins and the mintage was very low. We now know the truth...they are minor filled dies. The way I generally get people thinking is to offer them a 1923S cent with a filled mintmark for $5,000. Of course it looks like a plain-old 1923 plain worth less than a buck. But the reason my coin isn't valuable is because there WERE 1923 plain cents and they are common.

The 1937D three-legged buffalo is a simple case of die overpolishing. It was originally believed that the mint somehow 'forgot' to strike the fourth leg onto the coin, but we know now that the entire design is hubbed onto the die at the same time, and these nickels were struck with a die that had all four legs when the die was made. It was simply polished (probably to remove clash marks) and the edge of the shallow leg was polished out. Collectors have since found hundreds of different issues that have missing details due to overpolishing, but none of them gained the unwarranted fame that the 3-legger did. We have hundreds of different nickels, quarters, and cents with throats missing, bridges of noses missing, collars polished out, fronts of busts blending with the field, edges of buildings polished away - even Buffalo nickels with the shallow feather polished away. None of them ever gained any collector interest because collectors now know that this phenomenon is common.

It was simple ignorance - misunderstanding of the minting process - that brought these coins to fame and enormously overinflated values. They suffered from the same common 'treatment' that many dies received through the years, except that these were noticed early, touted as special early, and included in all the major guides early.
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