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USA Money Is Just So Boring ; But Not The Old Stuff . . .

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America is a capitalistic state , that is how it is run. Why is this so important ? Because it affects its currency ! ! !

American banknotes are all uniform and boring, that is what you get when you need to produce billions of banknotes or coins for a quarter of the world ; LoL ;)

But look at the old banknotes from around the Civil War Era.

These banknotes are so rich in design and history they are literally masterpieces of ARTwork ! ! !

But can anyone give an indication of what grades would be for common banknotes from 150 years ago ?

I look at the prices and grades and have no clue of what a reasonable condition note should be graded as approximately?

Any opinions or suggestions would be most Welcome !


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 Posted 04/09/2020  11:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add QuarterHoarder72 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm not very good with banknotes in any way, but a more knowledgeable forum member should be along to help you soon. Good luck!
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 Posted 04/10/2020  12:34 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DeLoss to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I completely disagree with you 150 years ago if they could see the money that we have today they would be astonished. And in another hundred and fifty years we'll look back on these notes that we have and be amazed with what they were. I don't know where you're from but you must have some pretty amazing currency. Money's money. Especially when it comes to paper currency. I think it's in the eye of the beholder each no is different yes symmetrically the same but each note is different and unique to its own number. But I do agree with you the notes from they 1800s and early 20s are pretty darn cool man .
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If you think today coin and bills are so great looking, take another look at the classic coins and bills from the past again. I'm tired of the dead Presidents series. Bring back the classics. I guess living through the change over, makes you want to go back to the classic Liberty designs.
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If you don't like modern USA money, branch into world banknotes! There are so many fabulous designs you will never get bored. Also,they tend to be easily available in pristine state for very little.
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I look at the prices and grades and have no clue of what a reasonable condition note should be graded as approximately?

I have no idea what you're asking here. Sorry.

As far as designs on the older, large-size notes go, not many would argue about their beautifully engraved vignettes. With that being said, I'm not sure how well those older designs would translate to the smaller notes and a smaller field to portray them on. As the United States grew, it needed to consolidate the designs being used on its paper money. Sometimes Washington was on a $20, at other times he's on a $1 note. The country needed consistency.

Some of the designs on today's notes are just as beautiful to me. Imagine this vignette on a large size note.

USA-Money-Is-Just-So-Boring-;-But-Not-The-Old-Stuff-.-.-.
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I have no idea what you're asking here...


- I have to side with "SteveinTampa" (it is difficult to comprehend what your question is)

-My initial impression is that you're making a few sweeping statements which could be summed up as:
a) old US banknotes = beautiful designs
b) new US banknotes = boring/ugly designs
c) capitalist countries produce drab banknotes
-I think most advanced collectors dig the old designs b/c they are printed on larger formats (as "Steve_" points out) but they also seek tougher/rarer examples the longer they've been at it (typically). The older the note the harder it is to get in high grades. I really would love to get my hands on any 1 of the Educational series (but have found them dear/rarely offered in higher grades). Some collectors would say that almost all older banknotes are more beautiful than their newer "descendants."

As far as points b) & c) go: there are many beautiful newer designs (back of 1976 is perfect example) & as "DeLoss" observes the colourization of recent issues make the newer currency pretty impressive (IMO). I really disagree with c) as 3/4 of my 1232 page SCWPM catalogue is packed with god-awful designs originating from communist/totalitarian regimes & some nations which would be considered pretty capitalistic.


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But can anyone give an indication of what grades would be for common banknotes from 150 years ago ?


-this is a very opaque question. 97-99% of issued notes would be well circulated & a few are tucked away (or preserved) in their "original" condition. The newer the series the more tucked away in higher grades. Of those 2-3% (nicer/collectible) another 97-99% would be considered common whereas only only 2-3% would be special #/star notes/errors (more collectible). These "rare" collectible banknotes are what serious collectors wish to attain (thus higher BV). But it gets more complicated than that since a) some series (& denominations) may have been hoarded (so cataloguers discount their BV) & b) rarity does not always equal high book value because collector demand comes into play.

Does this answer your question? If you are struggling re: grading a banknote then may I suggest viewing one of the videos I created (below my post)?
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 Posted 04/10/2020  10:02 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add crok to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yes you give me some insight toward my answer.

I guess I am sort of asking you all " how long is a piece of string" which of course has no simple answer.

what I was something like :

generally if you going to collect usa money from 1825 till 1850 be very happy with grades around 35,

if your after pre 1825 then accept grades of under 15,

from 1850 onwards 45 to 55 grades re as reasonable for amateur / new collector.

my problem is this so many banknotes and then I see one graded 35 and the seller is asking 599$$$

their is no way to for me to know if that is a 300 or 700 dollar value note since I have no gauge as to how common it might be nor how many in better condition.

regards and thanks
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 Posted 04/10/2020  10:50 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Snoopydoo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The problem with texting, blogging, written forums is that it is flat, can easily be misinterpreted, you can't always properly recognize joking, see facial expressions, voice inflection to a messages meaning, etc.

My fellow CCF'ers here are more calm and kind in there well thought out messages than I.


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America is a capitalistic state , that is how it is run


Maybe I'm mistaken, but my reading of the original post, is someone who doesn't care much for America, all it has done for the rest of the world, it's rich heritage, and the freedoms it provides. And while all have the freedom to say what they want, that doesn't mean they should. It's hurtful.
As someone who spent their entire adult life serving this Country and the people of my State, I am offended by your comment.

As a world traveler I find seeing and experiencing other Country's cultures and people fascinating, and I'm richer for it. While I may personally not agree with everything other countries do, I wouldn't say it to them, instead I would respect the pride they have for their nation.

The beauty of America, is the freedom to leave and not participate in its activities, forums, and traditions and heritage.

Our currency is rich in heritage and pride in our Nation, please do not call it boring.

If I'm wrong in my interpretation, then I apologize.
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04/10/2020 10:56 am
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