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Barber Halves: Same Grade (PCGS)?

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 Posted 04/10/2020  8:34 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add johnny676767 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I have been looking for some lower end graded examples of key dates for this series and have come across some widely different coins. Personally, I think the 14 is an attractive coin, but the 93 S s really rough looking. I guess the technical grade is there for these examples but do they ever look different. This is more support for "buy the coin not the holder". I also think there's a lot of grade inflation going on for the key dates in this series.



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 Posted 04/10/2020  11:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinCollector2012 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree that the 1914 is the best one of the group you posted. Whatever you do, steer clear of that 1893-S. I think it's been cleaned.

Grading services do occasionally go easy on some key dates and older type coins. I have no idea how that 93-S graded straight. It's an obvious details coin IMO.
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The 1914 is extremely attractive and a VG-10 IMO, the 1915 is also quite attractive and accurately graded. The 93-S is a Details coin, do not buy! The 1913 is over graded and unattractive, no go from me.
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 Posted 04/11/2020  08:18 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add johnny676767 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree with what both CoinCollector2012 and GrapeCollects say. The 93 S is horrible- How can it not have a details designation? Also, the 13 appears to have environmental damage or at least porous/stained surfaces.
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 Posted 04/11/2020  12:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add QuarterHoarder72 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree with every previous post on all counts, stay away from that 93 S and go towards the 1914.
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In terms of purely technical grades, the 1893-S and 1913 are VG-08, barely. I agree, PCGS missed the obvious harsh cleaning on the 1893-S, and it should be a details coin.* The 1913 has negative eye appeal because of the numismatic Leprosy on the obverse. IMHO, these are hard "NO!" coins.

The 1914 is undergraded. It is a solid VG-10, and not terribly far from F-12.
The 1915 is right on the VG-08/VG-10 bubble.

If the 1914 carries a VG-08 price, snap it up. The 1915 is a decent coin for the grade.


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How is the 1893-S not detailed for cleaning? The 1914 is nice.

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Tough decision. I would have to go with the 1915 over the 1914, but not by much. The lighter golden tone and darker shading around the devices make the grade pop more. But, price would be my final determining factor.
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The 1893-S has definitely been cleaned. STAY AWAY!
The 1913 is just not very attractive.
The 1914 and 1915 are both nice and worth considering if price is ok.
Halves were widely circulated and widely worn/damaged
so it is nice to see VERY decent VG examples.
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 Posted 04/11/2020  9:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinCollector2012 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Like I said earlier, I personally think the 1914 is better mainly because slightly more of "Liberty" is visible. However, the 1915 would not be a bad choice. Make sure to let us know which one you get!
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 Posted 04/12/2020  08:41 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add smokeriderdon to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You guys are all wrong. the Lords and masters at PCGS in their all knowing and unquestionable expertise as the only grading service in the entire universe that can do the job did not designate it as cleaned, so therefor it is not. Learn your places you mere mortals.
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 Posted 04/12/2020  10:38 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add johnny676767 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here is another. Note the reverse on this one; it doesn't even have full rims. I don't see how the obverse would be so strong as to bring this up to a VG 08. I can't even say this meets any type of technical grade- nothing special on eye appeal either.

Very questionable grading by this company- at least with this series!


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 Posted 04/12/2020  12:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add matthewvincent to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
johnny676767,

You are a tough sell. I like that!
An experienced collector who specializes in a given series
will have learned how to grade independently of any TPG service, especially for circulated examples. This is very true for the Barber coins.

Lets look at the traditional grading sources:
Brown and Dunn:
Good - There must be a slight rim for both obverse
and reverse.
Very Good - At least any three letters of the word LIBERTY
on headband must show.
Ruddy: (Photograde)
Good - The rim may be warn down to the tops of a few letters.
Very Good - The rim will be complete.

The term "full rim" is misleading. Either "slight rim" or "complete rim" more accurately describes Barber halves (as well as the dimes and quarters) as they re found in the wild.'

So I would grade the 1897-O as VG obv, G rev.
(MAYBE a V-6) A split grade such as this is common among Barber specialists.

For further discussion I recommend:
http://www.barbercoins.org/Barber-H...rading.shtml

They are the go-to source for all things Barber.
I learned a lot from them.
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