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1858-O 50c Seated Liberty For Grade

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Let the opinions rain down:

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Nice even patina.
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AU-50 sounds about right.
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I'm at AU-53. Could have been more, except for the noise next to Liberty's arm. The reverse is beautiful.
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I'd say AU-53.
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Rim damage
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the minor rim nicks are really not going to affect grade in this case and probably not affect value either
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Coming from the eyes of a tough grader what would be the argument against the TPG saying that this 50C has been cleaned? More specifically the area under the left wing is inconsistent insofar as having the darkened area reach all the way up to the underside wing lining.

If no cleaning was involved, what could have prevented the patina from being uniformly darker in that particular area? In fact the same phenomenon exists upwards from the 'H'.

On the other hand the existence of a partially or completely surrounding device around any area on this coin is unpredictable as an impeding factor to attain a totally uniform patina. A case in point is the area between two devices, Liberty's left shoulder and the flagstaff: complete coverage of a darker appearance.

I'm just trying to get these questions answered to be more discriminating when shelling out top dollar at any auction when the time to thoroughly check out a coin is seldom available etc.
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I agree with the upthread technical grading, it's in the AU-50 to AU-53 range. I see it coming in at AU-50.

I played with the photos a bit to see what might be lurking in the details. When I enhanced color and played with lighting, I saw the underlying toning better. It appears to be normal toning over evidence of light circulation.

@mdpmedia, I hear your questions about a possible cleaning. If there was a cleaning, it was a very old one. To me, the toning suggests long-term album storage. I think the surfaces are market acceptable.

Remember, this is a New Orleans strike. The New Orleans mint did not always basin the dies well and did not always align the dies well. This resulted in uneven strike quality, and can explain uneven wear patterns, especially on lightly circulated coins. That mint also was a bullion depository, and had the maddening habit of mixing lightly circulated coins with newly minted coins in mint bags, and storing them in the heat and humidity of New Orleans. Some of what you are seeing with the toning could be explained by strike characteristics, some by storage, and some by a possible older cleaning.

I only have the photos to go by, but nothing here causes me any particular heartburn. With the coin in hand, things could look different. To me, this is a nice prewar New Orleans coin, showing evidence of light circulation and 162 years of storage. The obverse scuffing between the first and second stars and Liberty's arm and the minor rim dings at 1:00 to 2:00 are the main issues. JMHO.
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I'm just trying to get these questions answered to be more discriminating when shelling out top dollar at any auction when the time to thoroughly check out a coin is seldom available etc.


If shelling out top dollar, buy slabbed coins
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AU-53 and I don't think the small rim nics will "details" it.
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