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2020 American Samoa National Parks Quarter Pre Strike Planchet Error?

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Hi all, I came across this weird looking quarter in the middle of a lookin roll the other day. I was wondering if anyone could confirm my suspicion on it being pre strike error on the planchet or direct me to the correct labeling of this one. It is smooth to the touch and not indented like post mint damage so I am stumped. With these being newly released it has been difficult to find varieties to compare. Also if it is a planchet error would it be wise to send in for grading? Thanks in advance. .
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What does the reverse look like? Can you post a reverse pic?
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PMD - post mint damage (technically PSD - post strike damage, but that's nit picking).

Something long and a little sharp was pressed into the coin you can see metal pushed up on either side of the cut.
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To CCF! Please post a reverse picture of your coin.
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Sorry everyone, didn't think to include reverse. Didn't notice it was the same on the back until today. Here are some pics. The reverse line is aligned with the obverse. Also I included more pics of the obverse to try and show the line better. It is completely smooth to the touch and seems to be beneath the design of the coin images.

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Interesting, what does the edge of the Coin look like. Specifically the area where the lines meet the rim.
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Is it surface or incuse. (below the surface?) Reminds me of a pencil mark?
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Here is a picture of the reeding. I couldn't see any sign of anything out of the ordinary for it. As far as the line on the obverse and reverse it to me appears to be below the design. I don't believe it to be a surface scratch as it feels smooth to the touch and the raised areas like on Washington's face aren't marred. Thanks again to all for the help.
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Looks like the line is in the same location on the obverse and reverse. If the lines are incuse and the metal on the edges of the lines are not at all raised then maybe the metal strip or blank was damaged prior to upset and strike. Just a thought
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Check the weight to see if it is a silver set coin? Or if it was plated?
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If it isn't raised or incuse, could it be a roller line?
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First I will disclaim with, I am no expert, I'm just guess off of what I'm seeing.
It could be a roller line but its usually accompanied by other roller lines of varying severeness.
It it were a die gouge you'd feel it.
If it were a post strick scratch on the coin you'd feel it.

Smooth and seemingly beneath the design elements would suggest it was on the planchet before the strike.

How it happened exactly I can't say for sure. Maybe a cut copper core that was then clad between the copper nickel layers and sandwiched and then punched out. At that point it would be basically invisible.
The outside layers would hold it together.

The strike in the collar that puts the reeded edge on would wipe out any sign of this on the edge theres a lot of outward displacement in the strike. The strike would wipe out all but that visual evidence of the flaw in the core which would, I think, the cut core would spread a little with the press pressure and fill in some with the displaced copper nickel outer layer.

Just a guess. It's interesting. I think it's a planchet flaw but never seen something like that before. Also the way it looks, I'd think there's more than one out there like it. The entire strip that the planchets were cut from may have this same line on the struck coins how it manifests in the struck coin will just depend on its degree of rotation of the planchet when its inserted into the press.

Straight clip copper core that was pieced togeter and laminated between the copper nickel layers that weren't clipped?

I dunno. Guessing really.lol





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