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What Do You Think Of This Morgan Dollar From Great Collections?

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This 1889 CC Morgan was graded MS63+ from NGC. What is going on with the toning here? It looks so flat. Definitely not a fan. Obviously, toning can be deceiving and I'd need the coin in hand, but it looks AU.

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Cant see the pics
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Fixed
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Thanks

It's likely that the pictures are really not doing the coin justice, considering the coin got a CAC sticker. I think it's probable that there's no wear, and the weakness on the high points is just a soft strike. Kinda odd though, 89 CC dollars tend to have stronger strikes.

These also look like scans which have the tendency to hide any apparent luster and can make toning look dark and ugly.

Assuming it is uncirculated the grade looks about right to me. The surfaces look very clean but the splotchy toning and weak strike(and potential lack of luster) would hold it from getting a premium grade.
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The pictures are not flattering for an MS-63 Morgan. (scanned, not photographed?)
I agree; the surface as seen from the pictures is lacking in luster, and would prevent it from getting an MS-63 price.
That leaves me a bit underwhelmed.

Maybe this coin does need to be slabbed (and that is why it has been), and the buyer accept that grade, unquestioned.

Perhaps it would have been better to examine this piece in hand, and make a fairer judgement on it.


That is a bit of a pity; there are lots of Morgan fans out there, who would love to include a CC MS+ example in their collection.
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I would take NGC's opinion at face value here.
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Maybe it got the Redfield peach juice treatment. The link was prohibited, but Google a few to compare.
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Lack of luster and unattractive toning, I assume due to the photos. In this case, if you were to buy the coin and not the slab, you wouldn't buy it.
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Ugly toning.
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Well, clearly all of you are blind. Its NGC and has a green sticker! Its OBVIOUSLY the epitome of an MS63+ coin. How dare you even question this?
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.Well, clearly all of you are blind. Its NGC and has a green sticker! Its OBVIOUSLY the epitome of an MS63+ coin. How dare you even question this?



The unfortunate thing is I can almost not tell if this is satire or not lol
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This coin has almost everything: rare, coveted date, premium grade from top-tier grading service, desirable CAC approval, and a mid-5-figure price tag. What else could you ask for?

How about some eye appeal? If I were shopping for an '89-CC in this grade and price range I sure wouldn't choose this one.
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^^^^
The fact CAC beaned the coin means its probably a MS64. They will not cac borderline sticker worthy, or even some sticker worthy coins if the eye appeal isn't there. IMO that means they probably thought this was a MS64 with poorer eye appeal and beaned it on the technical grade. I guarantee if this coin was a natural blast white it probably would have gold beaned.
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The GC photos are definitely not very flattering. Here's the same coin with some different photos. Still unattractive, but at least there is some luster peaking through.

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I dont see any luster peaking through on the latest photos. Just a few light spots. What an ugly coin! Id think its obvious the photos are off since it has a cac sticker, but from two different places? Mind boggling.
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I bet someone got a deal on this unslabbed! a $20K coin, at least, in that holder. Remind me to be on the hunt for weakly struck MS coins next time I'm at a dealer browsing uncertified inventory.
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