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Easy explanation . Someone took a 1966 or 1967 SMS opened the plastic case , ( rather easy to do ) played " King of Wishful Thinking " by
GO WEST in the background and inserted some 1964 Circulation coins in the Plastic .
The half in your set is a BU coin , badly bag marked ! The rest are typical of BU coins found in bank rolls
or removed from regular US Mint uncirculated sets ! You DO not have an SMS set from 1964 .
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Pacificoin says it well.  to the CCF! |
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Thank you for the input. Again I bought the set in 92 or 93. Have had it since. If someone was to put those coins into that 66,67 sms US mint set at that time,( could be possible but what a coincidence at a time where very little or maybe nothing was known about it) and have the half dollar with what I believe is the same dies used as the confirmed ones. I can match Mark's on both obverse and reverse. So I guess you'd just have to believe me I've owned for the last 30 years. Whether or not it is the real deal or not, again just what a coincidence.
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I do agree with the bag mark's on the half. Still, not a bad coin that was very well struck, squared rims ect. As,far as the rest- they really are a very good set with little marks on ethem. So maybe my question is this... Has any of the regular strike halfs been documented with straight g, breaks in rays 11-13 and matching obverse, reverse dies used as the confirmed SMS ones?
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Believe me .....it ain't the real deal !
The case you picture is ONLY for 1966 and 1967 SMS .
The 1965 SMS came in a pliofilm package the same as the 1955
to the 1964 Proof set . The 1964 SMS coins were never issued for
sale and most likely all came through or were part of the Mint
Directors estate .
When the world was eliminating silver coinage in the mid 1960 s
there was a lot of back Door and oddball stuff coming out from
Numerous Mints .
Repeat and rinse , you own a put together rather pedestrian set of coins .
Absolutely nothing special . Spend the 150 or so necessary and send them in
to PCGS or NGC and you will be sorely disappointed!
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All the 1964 SMS coins all came from internal mint sources (Eva Adams) to one dealer (Lester Merkin) and eventually to one auction (Stack's, 1990's) when his estate was sold. Jess Lipka bought them and dispersed them around 1993.The SMS coins were not released to circulation or in any other way that additional examples could be discovered. The coins were eventually certified by ANACS, but over time found there way into other TPG holders . Edited by Pacificoin
05/01/2020 11:54 pm
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Dude, they are regular unc coins from 64. As said already, there were no SMS in 64. I dont know why you would think there wasnt a lot known about them in 92, almost 30 years later. Also as pointed out, that half is beat up. Test strikes would NOT be like that. Again, just regular unc coins from 64 placed in a 66 sms holder.
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Ok, dude- doesn't answer my question. Believe me I have done may research and there is nothing new that you are telling me. And Smoker- hmmm, you are misinformed about " No SMS in 64 "or the fact that the first ones were not known about till the early 90s, nearly 30 years later ( 30 years ago). Well, I suppose I either wait for an answer to my question or perhaps wait for the reply " ok dude- send them in, I'm sure you have something, dude" Whichever cones first.
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Woop, Pacifi beat me to the punch- I didn't read the end of his last comment. I guess I will just respectfully disagree, about new submissions that have not come from the Director ladies estate and otherwise came from rather ordinary circumstances. (Or taken out of there slabs and resubmitted). Anyway, just a regular reply by anyone who knows, if they know-to my original question about dies used for business as well as SMS would be greatly appreciated.
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Quote:There are 1964 SMS Kennedy halves but they are super rare. I believe only 12 are known to exist. They will exhibit a much sharper strike with better detail than regular business strikes. They also will have more of a satin-like finish and should have a lack of bag marks because of the way they were handled. One marker is a "droplet" hanging from the crossbar of the 4 in the date. 11 of the 12 known exhibit this:  Can we see a close up of the 4 ple ASE |
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Well, perhaps I will make an attempt at it even though at this point I'm just looking for an answer to my question. As well as other known markers that appear on the obverse that are on confirmed pieces. I IN LIBERTY, marker on upper left serif, B in LINERTY as well, mark starting just to the wright of the E, going upward starting at the hairline- diagonally up towards the edge of the coin. Underneath the the Wright side of the T in LIBERTY- extending down the length of the letter... ect I am no photographer and getting lighting right is an absolute pain for me but maybe I'll take a shot at all these markers I've identified on my piece later.
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05/02/2020 07:47 am
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Starting to look like this thread is going off the rails.
Just SEND the coins to a Reputable 3rd party grader .
Maybe you will listen to them .
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I disagree, if you dont have the answer to my question, that's ok- just dont respond.
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